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	<title>The Bible Archive &#187; angels</title>
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		<title>God With Us</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Article 2 of the Constitution of the United States stipulates the rules for the Executive branch. How long the person would serve. How they would be elected. What was the grounds for electing him. What is the process for removing him. What are the qualifications to function in that role. In that clause, the Constitution [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Article 2 of the Constitution of the United States stipulates the rules for the Executive branch. How long the person would serve. How they would be elected. What was the grounds for electing him. What is the process for removing him. What are the qualifications to function in that role.</p>
<p>In that clause, the Constitution states that the President—indeed, also the Vice President—must be thirty five years old but then it has these two other qualifications: they must have been a natural born citizen and have been a resident of the United States for at least 14 years.</p>
<p>The clause is not historically uncommon. Nations throughout history have always wanted a leader who belonged to the country. It’s understandable. When a foreign nation comes in, attacking another country and sits on the throne, the new country is merely real estate with revenue funneling back into the mother country. The ruler doesn’t represent the people of the conquered country at all. Be it Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, Mother Russia, England, or the United States the leader represents the needs of his own people.</p>
<p>It was the people’s fear of having a foreign national with us. He’s not really of us—but he’s over us.</p>
<p>So the Constitution drafters insert that clause ensuring that some foreign national doesn’t come along, somehow orchestrate events to become leader of the United States, and then spends the bulk of his time supporting the desires of his real country.</p>
<p>Which brings us to <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2010/christ/getting-tense-with-hebrews-1/">the problem</a> of <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Hebrews+2" title="Bible Gateway">Hebrews 2</a>.</p>
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<p><strong>God Amongst or With Us<br />
</strong>The author has established that The Son is the perfect representative of God, acknowledged as such by God, and functions in His Position as God. He does what God does (for example, creating and upholding the world by his word of power) because he has that right, God stands behind Him, and He is, in fact, God. If the Son speaks, God speaks; if the Son works, he completes that work; the very angels of God bow down to him in worship as He sits down at the position of power of the Majesty on High.</p>
<p>This Son is with God, on behalf of God, and Is God.</p>
<p>And yet, that comes with some dire ramifications for us poor humans. Warns the writer “we must pay much closer attention to what we heard, so that we do not drift away from it.” It’s one thing to deny an angel-mediated Law, quite another to deny the very message spoken by the incarnate God, the Lord and subsequently confirmed by those he has placed in power and attested to with miracles and signs by the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>God is altogether involved in this message and we humans invariably fall short.</p>
<p>But doesn’t this in effect become bad news? This isn’t only some foreign national that’s in control; it’s one with complete power, absolute authority, and the bright white holiness that could incinerate a sinner like paper in a fireplace.</p>
<p><strong><em>God With Them<br />
</em></strong>Let’s go back to our first parents who found themselves in this sort of relationship of being with God (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Gen+1%3A26-27" title="Bible Gateway">Gen 1:26-27</a>; (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Gen+2" title="Bible Gateway">Gen 2</a>: 16-17)</p>
<p>Recently created, blinking in the new light of day, they walked around Dad’s house here on Earth with some familial prerogatives and one dire command: these other things you do, that’s just living—but if you do this one thing, ignore that I have commanded you not to eat of this tree, take it upon yourself to act on your own initiative and your own understanding you will die.</p>
<p>And what does man in this relationship do? He sits on the side, setting aside his authority, watching his wife take the fruit, eat and accepts the thing when offered (as if under her authority) and the immediate response was expulsion and death in later years. Indeed, death in the very home as son rises up against son and proves the catastrophe of man looking no higher for a master than his own wants.</p>
<p>But here, we find that the author to the Hebrews thinking coincides with our own. We’re at the very beginning of creation and seeing the position of man and the position of God. Man is told to reign, to control, to manage, to cultivate but man falls short and God punishes him. As he stands before the Lord, his sin exposed, he hears the mandate that creation will revolt beneath him. He was a cultivator of a garden before, now he’s a tackling thorns and thistles. He was living life to the fullest before now, he’s sweating into the very food he’s taken all this time to make.</p>
<p>David, recalling the wonder of this creation looks back and thinks about the wonder of God’s creation and how he’s established man over this creation, a little lower than God (or the angels as the LXX says), and yet man is crowned with glory and majesty.</p>
<p>Well, not that much glory and majesty because of that Fall. There they fell, deceived by the first murderer, His Satanic Majesty and rendered the world under His power—the prince of power of Darkness. So you arrive at the book of Daniel and hear tell of demonic powers, like the Prince of Persia, holding say over regions (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Daniel+9" title="Bible Gateway">Daniel 9</a>), or you have Paul much later saying that we don’t battle against flesh and blood but against powers, against principalities in heavenly places (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Eph+6" title="Bible Gateway">Eph 6</a>).</p>
<p><strong>Immanuel<br />
</strong>But hear the words of Isaiah as he prophesies of a son being born to a young virgin. This son will show up and his name will be Wonderful, Counselor, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, the Government shall rest upon his shoulders. What’s his name? Oh, Immanuel: God with us.</p>
<p>God With Us, being born amongst us and receiving titles that belong to God alone.</p>
<p>Time passes and a birth is announced: the child that will be born will be called Immanuel (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matt+1%3A24" title="Bible Gateway">Matt 1:24</a>).  And as the baby is lain in a manger, shepherds watching their flocks receive news that they will find the Savior, Christ the Lord, wrapped in clothes lying in a manger and the angels can’t help it as they cry out in exultation “Glory to God in the Highest, peace on earth and goodwill towards men!” (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Luke+2%3A7" title="Bible Gateway">Luke 2:7</a>). This one grows up (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Luke+2%3A40" title="Bible Gateway">Luke 2:40</a>) and we see him growing tired (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+4%3A6" title="Bible Gateway">John 4:6</a>) and thirsty (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+4%3A7" title="Bible Gateway">John 4:7</a>) and weeping (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Luke+19%3A41-44" title="Bible Gateway">Luke 19:41-44</a>) and sweating in Gethsemene (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Luke+2%3A41-46" title="Bible Gateway">Luke 2:41-46</a>). God With Us, doing all these things, and yet being ministered by angels when hungry (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matt+4%3A11" title="Bible Gateway">Matt 4:11</a>), providing food for thousands without breaking a sweat (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+6" title="Bible Gateway">John 6</a>) and demanding that a fig tree withers (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matthew+21%3A18-22" title="Bible Gateway">Matthew 21:18-22</a>), being asked permission to enter pigs by demons (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matthew+8%3A30" title="Bible Gateway">Matthew 8:30</a>) and telling the very waters and wind “Be quiet—stop throwing a fit!” (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Mark+4%3A39" title="Bible Gateway">Mark 4:39</a>)</p>
<p>This is God, surely, but he’s Man. not merely a foreign national walking in our midst—like Superman, among us but not one of us—he is really a Man and God and he acts with the full prerogatives as an obedient master over creation: just as Adam was supposed to.</p>
<p>So when we read <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+8" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 8</a>, we find that it not only speaks about the first Adam for those few moments where creation actually listened to him before he fell but it hearkens to the second and greater Adam who stands as master over creation.</p>
<p>But not everything is under Christ’s feet just yet, just as Paul says in <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+Corinthians+15" title="Bible Gateway">1 Corinthians 15</a>. We see Jesus, the man, for a little while made lower than the angels but then we see him crowned with glory and honor but not merely on account of being placed over creation but because he suffered, tasting death for everyone.</p>
<p>Man stands beneath God the Father, and the Son humbled Himself and stands beneath the Father as a real representative for God but an equally real representative for Man. And just as he cried out on the cross “Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachtini” from <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+22" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 22</a> he stands with Humans before God and says “these are my brethren”. Recall the words of Jesus to Mary “Go to my” not disciples but rather “brothers and say to them: I’m going to My Father and your Father, my God and your God”</p>
<p>Earth-shattering. Ground-swelling. Immanuel. God With Us not merely as God in our Midst but God Stands  With Us As A Man. He trusted God, and he stands with his family showing them to God.</p>
<p>And in so doing he reverses the power grab of the devil and his minions. Man is placed back in charge and the demons are robbed of power since death is robbed of power. And those that are plagued by the power of the devil are able to find real, honest to goodness mercy because he is actually one of us, born of our country, not a foreign national, and has our interests in mind.</p>
<p>Help has never been offered to angels. It has never been theirs to reach. But it was offered to Christ, the seed of Abraham. And Paul, looking at the seed of Abraham of Promise says that we are, on account of Christ, Abraham’s seed.</p>
<p>He’s God’s perfect representative. He speaks, God speaks. He is God with God standing behind him. And yet, he is fully man: one of us crowned with glory because he suffered and died.</p>

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		<title>We Can Be Angels Today</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Angels are awesome. They stand in the throne room of God. They have the ability to slay armies. They can appear at the flash of light, fight demons, and even be a comfort to people when the Lord sends them. But people have an incorrect view of angels. They think that angels are some special [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angels are awesome. They stand in the throne room of God. They have the ability to slay armies. They can appear at the flash of light, fight demons, and even be a comfort to people when the Lord sends them.</p>
<p>But people have an incorrect view of angels.</p>
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<p>They think that angels are some special beings, and though it’s true that there are a special category of well known angels, it is something that is attainable for us all. Indeed, I think that not only are angels around today—but we can be angels right now.</p>
<p>I want to make my argument based on four points:</p>
<ol>
<li>The word Angel</li>
<li>Angels in the New Testament.</li>
<li>Objections to us being Angels today.</li>
<li>What is an angel.</li>
</ol>
<p>First the word for angel is angelos (two g&#8217;s make the ng sound). It is found almost two hundred times in the new testament—underscoring its Biblical importance. Sometimes the word is translated messenger but it also means an Angel of God.</p>
<p>Second, we see the word in many places underscoring that it is not a class of special beings. In <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Luke+7%3A24" title="Bible Gateway">Luke 7:24</a>, the Divine Author calls the men from John his angels. In <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Gal+4%3A4" title="Bible Gateway">Gal 4:4</a>, Paul is received as an angel. The list goes on and on!</p>
<p>Third, the only objections to us being angels today are vapid. Some people presuppose that humans can’t have angelic powers but the fact is that Scripture doesn’t record angels using their power all the time. Sometimes we merely see them speaking. At other times we see them talking. At other times they’re rescuing. Just because we can’t see the angelic ability doesn’t mean it isn’t going on.</p>
<p>Other people make the mistake of saying that since we’re men and women who get married we are currently not living according to the order of Angels (as Christ says that in the future we will be like the angels who are not given in marriage).</p>
<p>But the fact is that we have a foretaste of that future already in the fact that there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus—we’re already living in the expectation of being angels, though not yet since we get married. That being the case we should live out our angelic ministry by rescuing people, fighting armies, speaking out the message of God, standing in front of the throne room of God (into which we can boldly approach), slay thousands, move faster than light and cover our faces with wings  while singing Holy, Holy, Holy.</p>
<p>Fourth, an angel is just a messenger. So those beings in the Bible weren’t really any special category at all, just something that we have labeled as being special because we haven’t afforded ourselves the ability to do these sort of things.</p>
<p>So in conclusion, not only do we see angels in Scripture, especially angels who are people, but we should expect angels today, in our situation, in our fellow believers. Unveil your true shining selves and start living out your future ministry as an angel of God.</p>
<p>I’ll call myself Michael.</p>
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		<title>The Sons of God in Genesis 6</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, this is what I know. I know that the Bible sometimes  gives us peeks into the supernatural while not making a huge deal of the event.  Like, when an angel appears to Mary and tells her that God has chosen her for a  specific role, the story doesn&#8217;t become a parable for angel worship. The  announcement if anything stirs Mary to eventually proclaim an awesome praise of  God. The angel (as Mary, by the way) fade into the background as Mary&#8217;s Son  becomes exceedingly prominent (surely an understatement but I&#8217;m trying to  highlight the emphasis). The angel has a comparitively minor role in the whole  story.</p>
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<p>The thoughtflow progression of <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Genesis+6" title="Bible Gateway">Genesis 6</a> &#8212; 9 is  that A) Mankind is corrupt followed by B)  Mankind is willingly wicked which causes God to C) repent of creating man then  D) God decides to blot man out based on C) but selects to E) preserve humanity  in Noah. The rest of the section (chapters 7 and 8) work as an execution of D)  followed by God&#8217;s &#8220;remembrance&#8221; of Noah which is a fulfillment of E). The fact  that this section has an early reference to the Sons of God and the Daughters  of Men really has no major impact on the thought flow of the passage: so if you  take it as Angelic Beings or as the Sethite Line or as Something Else, it still  doesn&#8217;t impact the thought-flow of the section.</p>
<p>Let me restate that: the flood was caused by God&#8217;s decision  based on Man&#8217;s wickedness and corruptionâ€”not upon what X group did.</p>
<p>So here are three views of the Sons of God, Biblical support  for each of these positions, potential problems with each of the positions plus  a possible response to the problems. The reason I want to document this is to  show, just like with <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Genesis+1" title="Bible Gateway">Genesis 1</a>, that there are some things we may not  technically understand but it&#8217;s not the point of the passage to make us  understand. The story documents this event of the Sons of God and the Daughters  of Men but it doesn&#8217;t further flesh it out.</p>
<p><strong>The Sons of God =  Fallen Angels; Daughters of Men = Human women</strong></p>
<p>Fallen Angels took physical form and copulated with women.  One view is that these Fallen Angels forced these women (although the language  of the passage doesn&#8217;t seem to justify that) and another view is that there was  a willing union.</p>
<p><strong>Pro:</strong> (a) It was  the popular view (ie: the LXX translates sons of God as angels) (b) the  expression &#8220;Sons of God&#8221; is used elsewhere in the OT for Angels (ie: <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Job+1%3A6" title="Bible Gateway">Job 1:6</a>;  2:1; 38:7; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Ps+29%3A1" title="Bible Gateway">Ps 29:1</a>; 82:6; 89:7; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Dan+3%3A25" title="Bible Gateway">Dan 3:25</a>) (c) Angels take corporal formâ€”and  that of a menâ€”in other places in Scripture (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Gen+18" title="Bible Gateway">Gen 18</a>) (d) Possible New Testament  support (alluded to in <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=2+Pet+2%3A4" title="Bible Gateway">2 Pet 2:4</a> and mentioned in <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Jude+6" title="Bible Gateway">Jude 6</a> which is seemingly quoting  an apocryphal source: Book of Enoch 6:1, Book of Jubilees 5:1)</p>
<p><strong>Con</strong>: (a) Seemingly  conflicts with <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matt+22%3A29-30" title="Bible Gateway">Matt 22:29-30</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Mk+12%3A24-25" title="Bible Gateway">Mk 12:24-25</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Lk+20%3A34-36" title="Bible Gateway">Lk 20:34-36</a> which talks about Angels  not marrying (b) seemingly makes Man culpable for the sins of angels (c)  borders on the mythological (sometimes by making the spiritual beings give birth to giants).</p>
<p><strong>Defense</strong>: (a) Jesus  says that Angel&#8217;s don&#8217;t marryâ€”not that they can&#8217;t marry (b) Creation groans due  to the sin of Man so it&#8217;s not out of the realm of possibility that something  Angels did can affect Man&#8217;s fate but be that as it may, the Genesis passage  makes it a point to underscore man&#8217;s personal chosen corruption (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Gen+6%3A5" title="Bible Gateway">Gen 6:5</a>,  11-13; 8:21) and (c) Because the word Nephalim is translated Giants in some versions doesn&#8217;t mean that they actually gave birth to mythological Giants. The Giants can be a name for Giant Men or Great Men. In fact, the text&#8217;s ambiguity can support that in addition to there being unnatural relations with spiritual beings in physical form, there were also these Nephalimâ€”not necessarily the offspring of the unnatural union although that point can be argued. Besides, if there are echoes of the Bible in mythology that doesn&#8217;t necessarily negate that the Biblical account is false.</p>
<p><strong>The Sons of God = The  Sethites; The Daughters of Men = Cainites</strong></p>
<p>The Cainites of chapter 4 were ungodly and the Sethites of  chapter 5 worshipped the Lord. The problems arose when the Sons of Seth began  to marry the daughters of Cain, mingling of believers with unbelievers.</p>
<p><strong>Pro:</strong> (a) It is  currently a popular view (b) It grounds the text in the &#8220;real&#8221; instead of the  seemingly mythological (c) it puts the blame solely on man (d) Children of  Israel are referred to the Sons of God in other passages of Scripture (Deut  14:1; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Isaiah+41%3A23" title="Bible Gateway">Isaiah 41:23</a>; 43:6; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalms+82%3A6" title="Bible Gateway">Psalms 82:6</a>) (d) Believers are called Heirs of God,  Children of God and Sons of God throughout the New Testament (one example since  there are so many references: <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Gal+3%3A26" title="Bible Gateway">Gal 3:26</a>)</p>
<p><strong>Cons:</strong> (a) Very  allegorical use of the words in context with no textual clue that Daughters of  Men refers specifically to the Cainites (b) the Sethites aren&#8217;t very Godly if  only Noah&#8217;s family is spared (c) the passages that refer to the Sons of God is  not the exact same word usage as used in this passage (d) New Testament  appropriation of language does not negate the actual usage in the Genesis  passage (e) Peter and Jude seem to be talking about the Genesis passage</p>
<p><strong>Defense:</strong> (a) The  entire early section of Genesis seems steeped in allegory and poetryâ€”why be  surprised by its use in this passage (b) Sons of God as a title for the Sethite  line does not negate the present state of the Sethite line in <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Genesis+6" title="Bible Gateway">Genesis 6</a>. Israel  was still called that even when God said &#8220;No-Ami&#8221; (Not My People) (c) the  Hebrew language only has a certain amount of words and the later uses from  those other passages are in a poetic format illustrating effectually the same  thing (d) New Testament usage reiterates Old Testament usage which would lean  towards a physical people with a Spiritual calling (e) Peter and Jude may not  be talking about angels marrying at allâ€”just about angels falling.</p>
<p><strong>The Sons of God =  Sons of Kings, Daughters of Men = any woman. </strong></p>
<p>The sin is tied to those of Lamech (from Cain&#8217;s side) who  was in a polygamous relationship. These men who were renowned set an evil  precedence by also being polygamous.</p>
<p><strong>Pros:</strong> (a) It  grounds the text in the &#8220;real&#8221; instead of the seemingly mythological (b) it  puts the blame solely on man (c) Kings used to refer to themselves of Sons of a  god (d) There are places in Scripture that refer to the Sons of God translated  as judge or authorities as so (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Exodus+21%3A6" title="Bible Gateway">Exodus 21:6</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Ps+82%3A1" title="Bible Gateway">Ps 82:1</a>) (e) the later use of the  Nephilim refers to them being mighty men of powerâ€”not hybrid Titans or merely  common people</p>
<p><strong>Cons:</strong> (a)  Israelites never referred to kings as Sons of God (b) the passages like Exo  21:6 refer To God not the Sons of God (c) Granted the Nephalim aren&#8217;t  necessarily giants that still doesn&#8217;t support that the Sons of God are Kings</p>
<p><strong>Defense:</strong> (a) The  Israelites came from a culture (Egypt) whose Kings did do this sort of thing:  to them the evil would be immediately obvious (b) the point of To God does not  mean that the people are bringing their complaints to the Invisible,  Omnipresent God but they were bringing the complaint to the official in place  by God for presiding over such matters. He stands in the place of God in that  matter (c) Nor does the Nephalim being heroes not deny the Sons of God being  Kings either.</p>
<p>So there you go, three solid reasons to believe either but  like I said earlier, taking either view doesn&#8217;t negate the main thrust of the  passage nor does it affect our major theological positions though it may affect  our view of Angels or of God&#8217;s people.</p>
<p>The rest of the <a href="content/view/496/103/">Genesis series</a>.</p>

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		<title>Satans Dual Objectives: A Worldly Messiah And A Worldly Church</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Bob Gessner As one examines the New Testament, it becomes evident that Satan had two primary objectives in this world, among many more perhaps less evident. (1) To tempt the Messiah to conform to the image of the worldly Jewish religious thinking of His time. (2) To influence the church so that it conforms [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>By Bob Gessner </em></strong></p>
<p>As one examines the New Testament, it becomes evident that Satan had two primary<br />
objectives in this world, among many more perhaps less evident. (1) To tempt the Messiah<br />
to conform to the image of the worldly Jewish religious thinking of His time. (2) To<br />
influence the church so that it conforms to the worldly religious thinking of our times.<br />
In the first objective, Satan totally failed. He met an opponent who stood firm. In the<br />
second objective, he has met with more success than we would like to think or admit.<br />
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I. A Worldly Messiah: Impossible.</p>
<p>From the very beginning of the Lord&#8217;s ministry, Satan confronted Christ with the object<br />
of tempting Him to conform to the religious world that Satan himself had organized. This<br />
confrontation was necessary at the very beginning so that &#8220;Jesus was led by the<br />
Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil&#8221; (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matt.+4%3A1" title="Bible Gateway">Matt. 4:1</a>) In both accounts<br />
(<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matt.+4%3A1-11" title="Bible Gateway">Matt. 4:1-11</a> and <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Luke+4%3A1-13" title="Bible Gateway">Luke 4:1-13</a>), although the order of the three proposals changes, it is<br />
evident that Satan&#8217;s primary objective was to persuade Christ to follow his suggestions.<br />
On the surface the suggestions seemed to contain sensible advice. Considering them more<br />
carefully, they were self-promoting and worldly. If heeded, the three suggestions would<br />
have brought to Christ instantaneous worldly acclaim and acceptance among the religious<br />
leaders. &#8220;To understand this we must recall what has been said of the state of the<br />
Jewish nation, and especially the nature of the Messianic hopes which they were indulging.<br />
They expected a Messiah who would work dazzling wonders and establish a world-wide empire<br />
with Jerusalem as its center, and they had postponed the ideas of righteousness and<br />
holiness to these [ideas]. They completely inverted the divine conception of the kingdom,<br />
which could not but give the spiritual and moral elements precedence over the material and<br />
political considerations. Now what Jesus was tempted [by Satan] to do was, in carrying out<br />
the great work which His Father had committed to Him, to yield in some measure to these<br />
expectations. He must have foreseen that, unless He did so, the nation would be<br />
disappointed and probably turn away from Him in unbelief and anger&#8221; (James Stalker,<br />
Life of Christ ). Although it was a decisive struggle and the devil was thoroughly<br />
defeated, the devil &#8220;departed from Him until an opportune time&#8221; (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Luke+4%3A13" title="Bible Gateway">Luke 4:13</a>). He<br />
was not yet ready to admit defeat and he planned to keep on trying until the end.</p>
<p>His subsequent attacks were not long delayed. They were not direct confrontations with<br />
the devil himself, but they were nonetheless suggestions that came from Satan&#8217;s mode of<br />
thinking. Many times these suggestions are the most dangerous because we are not aware of<br />
their source. Not so with Christ, for He was always aware of all the devices of the devil.</p>
<p>One attack came from his very own family in Galilee. His brothers said to Him,<br />
&#8220;Depart from here and go into Judea, that Your disciples also may see the works that<br />
You are doing. For no one does anything in secret while he himself seeks to be known<br />
openly. If you do these things, show Yourself to the world.&#8221; The brothers did not<br />
believe in Him and thus we understand the origin of their suggestion. It was a worldly<br />
promotion that motivated their thinking. Christ answered them, &#8220;My time has not yet<br />
come, but your time is always ready. The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I<br />
testify of it that its works are evil. You go up to this feast. I am not yet going up to<br />
this feast, for My time has not yet fully come.&#8221; (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+7%3A2-8" title="Bible Gateway">John 7:2-8</a>). He did not succumb to<br />
the darts of His brothers, but He went to Jerusalem later in accordance with His Father&#8217;s<br />
timing and planning.</p>
<p>The attack still continues. This time it comes through His spiritual family&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things<br />
from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the<br />
third day.&#8221; This was God&#8217;s plan and Christ&#8217;s mission on earth. Then Peter took Him<br />
aside; he obviously felt he had some wise advice for the Lord. He then actually began to<br />
rebuke the Lord. This is quite an act for a mortal man to attempt to correct His Lord. He<br />
said to Him, &#8220;Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!&#8221; Now Peter<br />
is suddenly a prophet, a false prophet at that! But the Lord turned and said to Peter,<br />
&#8220;Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the<br />
things of God, but the things of men.&#8221; (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matt.+16%3A21-23" title="Bible Gateway">Matt. 16:21-23</a>). He directly and correctly<br />
identified the mind that was behind the counsel.</p>
<p>Once more our relentless foe attacks. This time he uses the howling mob that has<br />
gathered underneath the cross of Calvary. Christ is now not only hungry and thirsty, but<br />
He is bleeding and dying. And those who passed by blasphemed Him, wagging their heads and<br />
saying, &#8220;Aha! You who destroy the temple and build it in three days, save Yourself,<br />
and come down from the cross!&#8221; The chief priests also, together with the scribes,<br />
mocked and said, &#8220;He saved others; Himself He cannot save. Let the Christ, the King<br />
of Israel, descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe.&#8221; (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Mark+15%3A29-32" title="Bible Gateway">Mark 15:29-32</a>).<br />
Using the same &#8220;if clause&#8221; that the devil himself used in the wilderness, they<br />
said, &#8220;If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross.&#8221; (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matt.+27%3A40" title="Bible Gateway">Matt. 27:40</a>). For<br />
a mortal man, with endowed divine power, how tempting it would have been to come down from<br />
that cross and spectacularly destroy everyone of His enemies before the eyes of a<br />
terrified crowd. But Christ was not a mortal man. He knew His mission and He knew that it<br />
had to be finished. If Christ had come down from the cross, it would not have proved that<br />
He was the Son of God. It would have proved that He was not the Son of God. It would have<br />
demonstrated that He was just a man, a selfish man, interested in saving Himself rather<br />
than fulfilling the mission of His heavenly Father. Satan struck his final blow on the<br />
Messiah; his opportune times were gone; and the mission of our Lord was carried out<br />
according to His Father&#8217;s plan to the very last detail.</p>
<p>But even after Christ&#8217;s death, our relentless foe still continues to attack.</p>
<p>II. A Worldly Church: Undesirable The Head of the Church is gone back to heaven but His<br />
body is still here on earth. Thus Satan concentrates His attack on those who form His<br />
body. Saul learned this truth on the road to Damascus. &#8220;Saul, Saul, why are you<br />
persecuting Me?&#8221; And Saul said, &#8220;Who are you, Lord?&#8221; He recognized the<br />
voice speaking from heaven had to be divine, but he had not the least idea Who it could<br />
be.</p>
<p>And the Lord said to him, &#8220;I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.&#8221; Saul was<br />
making havoc of the church; he was breathing threats and murder against the disciples of<br />
the Lord. But he never once laid hands on Jesus of Nazareth. How could he be persecuting<br />
Jesus Who was in heaven. In time, he learned the full intent of this statement. When He<br />
touched the body on earth, He touched the Head in heaven (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Acts+9%3A4" title="Bible Gateway">Acts 9:4,5</a>). Saul ceased his<br />
activity for Satan, and became a disciple of the Lord.</p>
<p>But our relentless foe again continued to attack. Our &#8220;adversary the devil walks<br />
about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour&#8221; (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+Pet.+5%3A8" title="Bible Gateway">I Pet. 5:8</a>). But his most<br />
effective attacks take the form of subtlety, seeking to conform the church to the<br />
standards of the world rather than obedience to the Word of God. Paul would later write to<br />
the church at Corinth, &#8220;But I am fearful lest that even as the serpent beguiled Eve<br />
by his cunning, so your minds may be seduced from wholehearted and pure devotion to<br />
Christ&#8221; (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=2+Cor.+11%3A3" title="Bible Gateway">2 Cor. 11:3</a>). Thus Satan continues his use of seduction in an attempt to<br />
draw the church away from direct obedience to the Lord. And at times, including the<br />
present, we have seen evidences in many parts of the world of a church permeated with<br />
worldly desires and attitudes. A church that often has been attractive to the world, but<br />
powerless in proclaiming the Word of God and its truth.</p>
<p>Those who have experienced working in the local church know and understand the<br />
influence that is brought upon them by the world&#8217;s way of thinking. They understand the<br />
temptation that is often confronted to yield in some measure to these suggestions. Their<br />
is something attractive and easy about many of these methods. It is much easier to say<br />
&#8220;yes&#8221; than to say &#8220;no&#8221; to them. The suggestions may not be in complete<br />
adherence to the Word of God, but they are partly in agreement. They are appealing,<br />
popular suggestions and at times they are even lots of fun. The temptation then takes this<br />
form. If we can first win the approval and acceptance of the world, are we not able to<br />
later on lead them to the truth? It would be as if Christ would have accepted the Jewish<br />
concept of the Messiah, won their confidence, and then later attempted to teach them the<br />
righteous, moral, and spiritual concepts of His kingdom. This subtle temptation may even<br />
come to the worker through his own immediate family as it did with Christ. Sometimes it&#8217;s<br />
a wife or husband; a daughter or son; a father or mother who raises the question,<br />
&#8220;Why can&#8217;t we do this or that? Everybody else does.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Other times the suggestion comes from our spiritual family. Peter was certainly<br />
not aware that he was being used as a tool of Satan. But his thoughts regarding the<br />
Messiah were influenced by Satan&#8217;s way of thinking.</p>
<p>Although they are totally unaware of it, our Christian friends can often be thinking<br />
and planning under the influence of this world&#8217;s teachings. They have developed an<br />
attitude that suggests, &#8220;if it works for the world, it will work for the<br />
church.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a temptation &#8220;which every worker for God, weary with the slow progress of<br />
goodness, must often feel, and to which even good and earnest men have sometimes given way<br />
- to begin at the outside instead of within, to get first a great shell of external<br />
conformity to religion, and afterwards to fill it with a reality&#8221; (Stalker). But it<br />
never works. It never has and it never will.</p>
<p>The temptation is strong. Those who adopt the ways of the world seem at times to<br />
prosper so much more than those who adhere to the unadulterated Word of God. Must we give<br />
in if we are to succeed. The busy, he has many supporters, but we have on our side the<br />
Christ , the Head of the Church, who has overcome all the temptations of the devil.<br />
&#8220;You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is<br />
greater than he who is in the world. They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the<br />
world, and the world hears them. We are of God. He who knows God hears us. By this we know<br />
the spirit of truth and the spirit of error&#8221; (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+Jn.+4%3A4-6" title="Bible Gateway">I Jn. 4:4-6</a>). Plod on, Christian<br />
worker. don&#8217;t give in now. The time of reaping is almost here!</p>

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