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		<title>Increase Not Decrease: God Grants the Role</title>
		<link>http://biblearchive.com/blog/2011/christ/increase-not-decrease-god-grants-the-role/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“You Yourselves bear me witness that I said ‘I am not the Christ, but I have been sent before Him’.” (John 3:28) Of course John’s comment is in light of his ministry. For he says that he was to announce &#8230; <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2011/christ/increase-not-decrease-god-grants-the-role/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“You Yourselves bear me witness that I said ‘I am not the Christ, but I have been sent before Him’.” (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+3%3A28" title="Bible Gateway">John 3:28</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course John’s <a href="http://wp.me/pbR50-Jf">comment</a> is in light of his ministry. For he says that he was to announce the Christ because he is not the Christ: his role was to prepare the way. John sees that his own life isn’t purposeless but is actually tied up in the work of God by the presentation of the Lamb of God.</p>
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<p>He was sent to preach repentance and when he saw the Lamb of God he pointed him out, openly acknowledging that this is the provision that God had made. (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+1%3A19-34" title="Bible Gateway">John 1:19-34</a>)</p>
<p>To John’s mind, this probably meant something else. He probably thought as Jesus as the Lamb ruler who would forcefully take away the sins of the World. After all, it was only a short time later that he would be imprisoned, still waiting for the Christ to reboot this entire world, and wondering why it hadn’t happened yet.</p>
<p>In <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matthew+11" title="Bible Gateway">Matthew 11</a>, John, seeing that Herod is still in power (and he’s still in jail) sends a message to Jesus via disciples: “Are you the Christ that we’re waiting for?” He spent his life pointing out this person, he could’ve sworn that this was the very thing he was called to do, but things had turned out so differently and dire: could he have been wrong?</p>
<p>Christ responds neither yes nor no but pointing out the work of God. The Lame walk. The blind see. The Gospel is being preached.</p>
<p>The next historical note we have about John is that he’s beheaded at a party for a cruel mother and her daughter. (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matthew+14%3A1-12" title="Bible Gateway">Matthew 14:1-12</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Mark+6%3A14-29" title="Bible Gateway">Mark 6:14-29</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Luke+9%3A7-9" title="Bible Gateway">Luke 9:7-9</a>).</p>
<p>You see, Christ explains, John wasn’t merely some spectacle in soft clothes out in the wild—some oddity to ogle. This John was God’s prophet: the very Elijah who was supposed to come (if they would have had him) before the end of the age: the one who prepared the way of the coming of the Lord Himself. This John, in prison who eventually died of beheading, was the greatest of the prophets (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matt+11%3A11" title="Bible Gateway">Matt 11:11</a>a).</p>
<p>Without a miracle. Without a sign. With a backwater ministry in the Jewish outback. John functioned where he was supposed to function doing what all the prophets before him did, but better. Point to Christ.</p>
<p>Every single prophet in the Old Testament pointed forward to Christ via the power of the Holy Spirit. Sometimes fuzzily. Sometimes explicitly. But always predicated upon God’s revelation and looking forward to God’s distant promises. John alone, out of all the prophets, announced Him within days, inaugurated him via baptism, and witnessed the descending Holy Spirit upon Him. None of the prophets were given that position (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Heb+11%3A39" title="Bible Gateway">Heb 11:39</a>).</p>
<p>But John didn’t see everything. He was still an Old Testament prophet. He didn’t see  the crowds cheering around the one who comes in the name of the Lord (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Mark+11%3A9" title="Bible Gateway">Mark 11:9</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+12" title="Bible Gateway">John 12</a>). To him wasn’t given the horror of seeing the Messiah rejected and pinned to a tree (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+19" title="Bible Gateway">John 19</a>). He would never witness the wonder of the risen Messiah (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+20" title="Bible Gateway">John 20</a>). To him wasn’t given the chance of listening to the risen Lord for several days before he was taken up into heaven (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Acts+1" title="Bible Gateway">Acts 1</a>). To him wasn’t given the chance of participating in the prophesying in tongues which was a witness of the Holy Spirit being poured out in the last days (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Acts+2" title="Bible Gateway">Acts 2</a>).</p>
<p>None of those things were given to him; God didn’t grant John that role.</p>
<p>And he knew that at this point.</p>

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		<title>Increase Not Decrease: Examining John 3:30</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some years ago, I was at a house blessing with several Christians, an atheistic Buddhist, some agnostics, and some Hindus. The focus, said the Hindu priest was to realize that we were all part of the same faith. We were &#8230; <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2011/spirit/increase-not-decrease-examining-john-330/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago, I was at a house blessing with several Christians, an atheistic Buddhist, some agnostics, and some Hindus. The focus, said the Hindu priest was to realize that we were all part of the same faith. We were blessing the house by emptying ourselves and embracing what unifies us all, that which welcomes us all: God.</p>
<p>This upset me. I didn’t know what to say. I wish I had responded better than angry tears.</p>
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<p>I couldn’t articulate what was wrong with what was going on (on multiple levels). The Holy Man was being exceedingly spiritual, saying a whole mess of spiritual things to embolden our human selves to yearn for the spiritual; it was all tremendously dehumanizing—making one less than human.</p>
<p>Dehumanizing how?</p>
<p>Unfortunately in a way that Christians today have no problem with.</p>
<p>We look at a passage like <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+3%3A30" title="Bible Gateway">John 3:30</a> and see a perfect quote that is often used to depict that we are to become less as Christ becomes more. The Physical, is taught, doesn’t matter: the Spiritual is what continues. But how does this differ from the Holy Man who called this “God” the “Spirit of Christ”? The only difference is that one has been Christianized.</p>
<p>Note John’s words occur when he is baptizing in Aenon, near Salim (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+3%3A22" title="Bible Gateway">John 3:22</a>). This event, John the Evangelist reminds us, happened before John was arrested. Now of course we know that John wouldn’t have been arrested if he was out baptizing but it is likely because he knew about the accounts of the other Gospels which remind us very early in their text that John was arrested. (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Mark+1%3A14" title="Bible Gateway">Mark 1:14</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matt+4%3A12-21" title="Bible Gateway">Matt 4:12-21</a>; mentioned in <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Luke+3%3A19" title="Bible Gateway">Luke 3:19</a>).</p>
<p>This John, after the heyday of his ministry, but before being arrested, is faithfully continuing his work. He’s already baptized Jesus (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+1" title="Bible Gateway">John 1</a>). He’s already pointed him out as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. But John is waiting while he is working.</p>
<p>A discussion gets kicked up about purification and there’s some spill-over. Apparently it had something to do with baptism since the disciple points out that Jesus’ group is baptizing people and all are coming to Jesus rather than to John. Indeed, in the next chapter, the evangelist records that Jesus was baptizing more than John even though Jesus wasn’t personally baptizing anyone (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+4%3A1" title="Bible Gateway">John 4:1</a>).</p>
<p>John’s response is in three parts:</p>
<ol>
<li>Man Receives From God</li>
<li>God grants the role</li>
<li>Joy is Found in God-Given Vocation</li>
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		<title>Spontaneous, Natural, Physical Resurrection</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh the universe is full of amazing and wonderful things and very few subjects have been the source of more fiery debates than the topic of evolution. But in all the hubbub of debates about creation, or intelligent design, or &#8230; <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2011/christ/spontaneous-natural-physical-resurrection/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh the universe is full of amazing and wonderful things and very few subjects have been the source of more fiery debates than the topic of evolution. But in all the hubbub of debates about creation, or intelligent design, or cosmological origins one major facet of the Christian faith goes unnoticed: the explanation for the resurrection of Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Though the evidence for evolution is vast and far reaching and applied to origins, none of the same thinking has been weighed and married to this oft-neglected field.  If we as Christians are failing in our embracing evolutionary models in regard to Creation, we have been woefully neglectful in explaining the resurrection of Jesus Christ in terms of modern science.</p>
<p>In this post, I wish to posit a few possible reasons why the resurrection was not a miracle, but actually quite natural, spontaneous, and purely physical and why the Church must embrace this explanation to prepare for the future, especially in light of the overwhelming amount of data in support of biological evolution.</p>
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<p>The proof I can offer is not as nebulous as it may seem. We Christians often supply a few proofs that the resurrection happened so we don’t have to belabor the point. He was seen among witnesses. His grave was indeed empty. His death was sure. And the actual resurrection accounts for the apostolic beliefs.</p>
<p>But this in no way implies that God couldn’t have used spontaneous and natural processes to ensure that this resurrection would happen. We must not allow magic or miracles to discredit the very reasonable faith that we Christians embrace!</p>
<p><strong>First</strong> we have to admit that Jesus was fully man so he was limited by the knowledge of his day. He didn’t have a clue how he would live again or even if he would live again. He was under the impression that the “glory” was the process of dying (read the entire book of John) and then he cried about it when he was going to die. That’s not the reaction of a person who knew that they would die and come back.</p>
<p><strong>Second</strong>, the disciples were surprised by the resurrection. They didn’t have a clue he would do what he did and that would only make sense if it was in fact spontaneous and natural.</p>
<p><strong>Third</strong>, we have perfectly good explanations for a physical, random, non-miraculous resurrection. For example, we know that there are an infinite amount of Earths. Given an infinite amount of Earths, there are an infinite amount of circumstances. Just like our Universe came into being because in an infinite number, the chances of something happening are sure to happen, then the chance of a person dying and coming back from the grave most definitely would happen. In fact, I’d bet in this infinite series of worlds, there’s a good chance that each of us get our chance at resurrecting randomly.</p>
<p>Even if we didn’t posit infinite Christs, we can posit infinite physical universes where the laws of death and life are different.  With science firmly in our grip we can conclude that God used processes—like an infinite multiverse or infinite Christs—to arrive at a natural, spontaneous , physical and non-miraculous resurrection from the dead.</p>
<p>We haven’t even looked at Quantum particles which can be in two quantum states at the same time until observed. So Christ, while observed, w as in an alive state (a binary position of 1) and then he was in a two simultaneous states of dead and alive (0 and 1). If the quantum vacuum can bring something in from nothing, then the chance for Christ going from one binary state to a second one is infinitely possible. Heck, this could be a midichlorian process for all we know.</p>
<p><strong>Fourth</strong>, we Christians need to stop being afraid of scientific explanations especially since Science is God’s hands. The very smart people (who incidentally are much smarter than us) have told us that the impossible is just that and if it’s physically possible it’s infinitely more probable than the impossible. We need to stop being unscientific, embrace the sciences which are also God’s revelation, his second Bible as it were, and teach that Christ’s resurrection was natural, spontaneous, physical even if ultimately belonging to God.</p>
<p>In conclusion, we must embrace this lest Science, and the world, moves on in their Copernican revolution leaving us behind mumbling about our magical myths. If we truly want to engage the world and not be relegated to a position of non-importance, we must employ robust scientific thinking with the defense of our faith proving that God is not only reasonable, he is constant. We cannot allow Christianity to become a cult—but this is what will happen if the Church continues to turn its head from scientific explanations!</p>
<p>&lt;/satire&gt;</p>

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		<title>Historical Brethren Documents</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 14:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve come across a bunch of files, and I put them up on my drop box. I think they&#8217;re mostly public domain, but since others might find them helpful, I put them up here. Some of these documents are distinctly &#8230; <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2011/history/historical-brethren-documents/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve come across a bunch of files, and I put them up on my drop box. I think they&#8217;re mostly public domain, but since others might find them helpful, I put them up here. Some of these documents are distinctly against PB&#8217;s though my list will not make that apparent.</p>
<p><span id="more-2582"></span><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/ahistoryoftheply00neatuoft_neatby.pdf" target="_blank"></a></p>
<p>Extensive Bibliography (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/Bibliography.doc" target="_blank">DOC</a>)</p>
<p>Barber (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/Who-are-the-Brethren-Barber-2001.pdf">PDF</a>): Who Are The Brethren</p>
<p>Baum (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/originsbrethren00rowdgoog.pdf" target="_blank">PDF</a>-German): Origin of the Brethren</p>
<p>Bellet (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/reminiscences.pdf">PDF</a>): Reminiscences</p>
<p>Crowley (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/cihm_05899_Crowley.pdf">PDF</a>)</p>
<p>Darby (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/A-Letter-on-Separation-JND.pdf" target="_blank">PDF</a>): A Letter of Separation</p>
<p>Darby (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/Narrative-of-the-Facts-JND-1846.pdf">PDF</a>): Narrative of the Facts</p>
<p>Dronsfiled (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/exclusivebrethrenhistory.pdf" target="_blank">PDF</a>): Exclusive Brethren History</p>
<p>Grant (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/plymouthbrethrenhistory_grant.pdf" target="_blank">PDF</a>): Heresies and History</p>
<p>Miller (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/The-Brethren-A-Brief-sketch-of-Origin-AndrewMiller.pdf">PDF</a>)</p>
<p>Newman (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/Strivings-after-a-more-primitive-christianity-newman-1850.pdf">PDF</a>)</p>
<p>Noel (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/historyofthebret028097mbp_noel.pdf">PDF</a>)</p>
<p>Neatby (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/ahistoryoftheply00neatuoft_neatby.pdf" target="_blank">PDF</a>): History of the Plymouth Brethren</p>
<p>Reid (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/plymouthbrethren00reiduoft.pdf" target="_blank">PDF</a>): Refutation</p>
<p>Reiduoft (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/plymouthbrethren00reiduoft.pdf">PDF</a>)</p>
<p>Teuluoft (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/historyandteachi00teuluoft.pdf">PDF</a>)</p>
<p>Teulon (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/historyandteachingofpb_Teulon.pdf" target="_blank">PDF</a>): History and Teaching</p>
<p>Whately (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/plymouthbrethre00_Whately.pdf">PDF</a>)</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>On FF Bruce</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/bruce_inter-varsity_barclay.pdf" target="_blank">Barclay</a></li>
<li><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/bruce_brethren_coad.pdf" target="_blank">Coad</a></li>
<li><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/bruce_friend_howley.pdf" target="_blank">Howley</a></li>
<li><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/bruce_scholar_marshall.pdf" target="_blank">Marshall</a></li>
<li><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/bruce_teacher_payne.pdf" target="_blank">Payne</a></li>
<li><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/bruce_elder_pickering.pdf" target="_blank">Pickering</a></li>
</ul>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Charts</strong></p>
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<li>Diagram (<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8984575/BrethrenMovement/brethrengranthis.jpg" target="_blank">JPG</a>): Schisms</li>
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		<title>Should Christians Rejoice Over The Death of the Wicked?</title>
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<p>After some (long) time of hunting, the American special forces have successfully found and killed Osama Bin Laden, fulfilling the mission that was implemented under the command of President Bush. As President Obama echoed the words of said president, the American resolve remained united, and an enemy was stopped. And with the preparation for the announcement came a wave of rejoicing: “Ding Dong, Osama’s dead” and “Obama got Osama” and “Thank God, Osama’s dead!”</p>
<p>In all this, an ethical question arises: should a Christian rejoice in the death of an enemy?</p>
<p>In this article I will argue that not only is it fine for a Christian to rejoice, but also it should be done—though not done in the gruesome way that I have seen it being done. I think it would also be helpful if the reader references my examination of an <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2008/study/psalms-137-dash-the-babies/">imprecatory Psalm</a> (that is, when the Psalmist prays for the destruction of his enemies) and the post on <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2007/study/christians-and-curses-how-should-we-pray/">Christian and Curses</a> and my post on <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2009/human/who-is-a-person/">the image of God</a>.</p>
<p>This article will be divided into four major sections: <strong>(1) </strong>Where Rejoicing is Wrong; <strong>(2) </strong>Where Rejoicing is Right; <strong>(3)</strong> Where Theology Meets Practice;  and <strong>(4)</strong> Conclusion. The first three major sections will each have a summarizing point to help the skimmers but I strongly encourage reading through them and the cited verses.</p>
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<p><strong>Where Rejoicing Is Wrong.</strong><br />
It must be frankly admitted that there is a reason why Christians struggle with this. We do have explicit passages that speak into this matter of rejoicing over the fall of an enemy. <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Proverbs+24%3A17-18" title="Bible Gateway">Proverbs 24:17-18</a> says:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Do not rejoice when your enemy falls and do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles; or the Lord will see and be displeased and turn His anger away from him.”</p></blockquote>
<p>And the passage echoes other passages. Job, for instance, sees himself as righteous because he hasn’t rejoiced at the death of his enemies (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Job+31%3A29" title="Bible Gateway">Job 31:29</a>). Or when we see the wicked doing it, we automatically know it isn’t right (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Judges+16%3A25" title="Bible Gateway">Judges 16:25</a>; 2Sa 16:5-6; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+35%3A13-15" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 35:13-15</a>; 42:10;  <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Micah+7%3A8" title="Bible Gateway">Micah 7:8</a>).</p>
<p>Indeed, the Proverbs go on to be careful with gloating at all over disaster (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Proverbs+17%3A5" title="Bible Gateway">Proverbs 17:5</a>) and call for the righteous to care for their enemies—to clothe them and feed them (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Prov+25%3A21" title="Bible Gateway">Prov 25:21</a>) something our Lord Himself says (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Lev+19%3A17" title="Bible Gateway">Lev 19:17</a>–18; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matt+5%3A44" title="Bible Gateway">Matt 5:44</a>) and which Paul repeats (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rom+12%3A14" title="Bible Gateway">Rom 12:14</a>).</p>
<p>This whole idea of not rejoicing for the wicked is evidenced when God says (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Ezekiel+18%3A23" title="Bible Gateway">Ezekiel 18:23</a>; 33:11)</p>
<blockquote><p>“As surely as I live,” declares the Lord God, “I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, oh house of Israel?”</p></blockquote>
<p>God would rather the people repent. Peter echoes this idea when he looks back and sees that God’s forbearance is the only reason people haven’t been wiped out (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=2+Peter+3%3A9" title="Bible Gateway">2 Peter 3:9</a>)</p>
<p><strong>Section 1 Summarizing Point:</strong> Obviously we see that rejoicing over the death of “my” enemy is wrong. It seems to indicate that the personal tramping on an individual’s enemy is not something that is applauded. We see that although God judges the wicked, he’s not happy about it but rather patient, affording time so that they may repent.</p>
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<p><strong>Where Rejoicing Is Right.</strong><br />
Now there are also plenty of passages which are overlooked. For example, <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Proverbs+11%3A10" title="Bible Gateway">Proverbs 11:10</a> says</p>
<blockquote><p>When the righteous prosper, the city rejoices; they shout for joy when the wicked die</p></blockquote>
<p>The Proverb seems to be working with the antithesis of what happens when the wicked are in charge. When they’re in charge the righteous groan and are oppressed (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Prov+11%3A11" title="Bible Gateway">Prov 11:11</a>; 28:12; 29:2,11 )</p>
<p>Indeed, this idea isn’t foreign to the rest of Scripture either.  For example we have in <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+58%3A10" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 58:10</a> this idea of the people corporately rejoicing in the death of their enemies</p>
<blockquote><p>The righteous will be glad when they are avenged, when they bathe their feet in the blood of the wicked.</p></blockquote>
<p>This bathing their feet in blood (battlefield imagery) happens elsewhere in the Psalms in case you’re wondering (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+68%3A23" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 68:23</a>). And lest we get ideas that this is something that merely happens and isn’t to be applauded, we have <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+91%3A8" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 91:8</a> making it an expectation, a final shutting up of the wicked (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+107%3A42" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 107:42</a>) . All of <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+52" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 52</a> seems to be an expectation for the righteous to witness the destruction of the wicked.</p>
<p>In <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Deuteronomy+32%3A43" title="Bible Gateway">Deuteronomy 32:43</a> we hear this clarion call to corporately rejoice:</p>
<blockquote><p>Rejoice, O nations, with his people, for he will avenge the blood of his servants; he will take vengeance on his enemies and make atonement for his land and people.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed, Jeremiah prays for it (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Jer+11%3A20" title="Bible Gateway">Jer 11:20</a>; 20:12).</p>
<p>We find the early church citing <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+2" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 2</a> as part of their corporate prayers after Peter and John were beaten (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Acts+4%3A23-30" title="Bible Gateway">Acts 4:23-30</a>) and they request that the Lord stretches out his hand to heal, perform signs and wonders in the name of God’s servant Jesus. This is interesting, because in <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+2" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 2</a>, the Lord God is laughing at the enemies of his anointed one (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+2%3A4" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 2:4</a>) because they stand there daring to revolt. When the early Church prays for God to perform wonders, it is recalling the wonders done before Pharaoh: powerful signs that prove that God, the creator of heaven and earth, is in charge.</p>
<p>Upon the destruction of Babylon the Great, we see a calls or the people of God, heaven itself, to rejoice over her destruction (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rev+18%3A20" title="Bible Gateway">Rev 18:20</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, for God has pronounced judgment﻿  against her on your behalf!</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a call that is taken up elsewhere in the apocalypse (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rev+12%3A12" title="Bible Gateway">Rev 12:12</a> ) and obeyed in the <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rev+19%3A1-4" title="Bible Gateway">Rev 19:1-4</a> in heaven rejoicing over the destruction of their enemy. It’s not the first time that there is singing in heaven as we see in <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rev+15%3A3" title="Bible Gateway">Rev 15:3</a> the people singing the song of Moses.</p>
<p>Which immediately recalls two songs from the day of Moses. The song of Moses from <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Deuteronomy+32" title="Bible Gateway">Deuteronomy 32</a>where we have clauses of God defeating Israel’s enemies, and the Song of Moses and the Israelites from <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Exodus+15" title="Bible Gateway">Exodus 15</a> where Moses and the people sing and rejoice because the Lord has destroyed their enemies. It wouldn’t be the last time where the people of Israel rejoice over the death of their enemies (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Esther+8%3A15" title="Bible Gateway">Esther 8:15</a>;  <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=2+Kings+11%3A20" title="Bible Gateway">2 Kings 11:20</a> )</p>
<p><strong>Section 2 summarizing point:</strong> We can either conclude that there is a contradiction, or that the rejoicing in these passages is distinctly different from the rejoicing in the previous section. I think that the verses here reflect that, since it isn’t an individual rejoicing against his or her enemy, but an individual joining the corporate rejoicing against their corporate enemy. Rejoicing in this sense is apparently justified and expected. They also reflect that although God is not willing that the wicked perish, he does have the wicked perish and he expects his people to be happy about his activity.</p>
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<p><strong>Where Theology Meets Practice</strong><br />
I think we Protestants suffer from a very deistic view of reality, something that I applaud the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics for properly addressing (even if they fall short on much). Reality, say the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics, is not a two-tier house where you have This Physical Realm and then, the second floor with That Spiritual Realm. Reality is more like one floor where the spiritual and the physical co-exist. Now, they take this to a whole ‘nuther realm by having prayer for the dead and praying to God through icons—which all is wrong—but they make a good point. A point that the Psalter repeatedly makes: justice is not merely <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2011/eschatology/a-hellish-week/">the purview of That Spiritual Realm</a>. The Justice of God definitively begins here, in This Physical Realm because it is all (yes, all) God’s reality.</p>
<p>So you’ll have Paul looking at sinful humans acting in accordance with their lusts and saying that the wrath of God is (currently) evident (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Romans+1" title="Bible Gateway">Romans 1</a>). Or you’ll have Paul warning believers to obey their <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2007/church/the-measure-of-faith-toward-the-government/">governing body</a> because it is God’s instrument and it properly carries the sword of wrath against injustice (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Romans+13" title="Bible Gateway">Romans 13</a>).</p>
<p>And when you have judgment poured out against Israel via the Assyrians or the Babylonians, we find that God is speaking saying that this is his judgment—a foreign people attacking the Israelites like a wielded axe. These foreigners are an instrument in his hand for wrath. So you’ll have the entire book of Hosea speaking about the righteous surviving God’s wrath not so much in some future spiritual realm but right then, holding on to the Lord’s salvation.</p>
<p>The idea of God’s justice is something that results not only in Angels chanting, or people rejoicing, but the very physical creation yearns for it (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Romans+8" title="Bible Gateway">Romans 8</a>) and rejoices when it happens. So you’ll see a great pairing of Psalms, with one calling for the Lord to stamp down the wicked (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+94" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 94</a>), the Psalmist depending on the Lord to do it, and then (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+95" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 95</a> and 96) the mountains and oceans rejoicing when it does happen.</p>
<p>Of course, a point that I made in a previous post still stands: that when imprecation is leveled against the Psalmists’ enemies, it is almost always coupled with self-examination. The reason is that justice is a thematic thread throughout the Psalter—and all of Scripture. There is a constant expectation for the balancing of scales; but when it happens in the Now, there is rejoicing: something that the section up above reflected quite concisely.</p>
<p>You’ll see God saying things like <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Ezekiel+18%3A32" title="Bible Gateway">Ezekiel 18:32</a> where he doesn’t rejoice in the death of anyone—and yet he still has people die and be punished because he judges the earth (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+58%3A11" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 58:11</a>). We hear <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Lamentations+3%3A33" title="Bible Gateway">Lamentations 3:33</a> where he doesn’t willingly bring affliction or grief to the children of Men and we have the entire book of Job where God was willing to bring affliction to a child of men.</p>
<p>The problem then becomes one of applying theology to our practical situation. Some Christians take <strong>Section 1 </strong>Passages and ignore <strong>Section 2</strong> Passages, or worse, relegate<strong> Section 2</strong> passages to some later day. They forget that the call in the book of Proverbs, is not one so much of law (which we Christians tend to gravitate toward—check out my article on the <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2010/apologetics/to-train-up-a-child-an-examination-of-the-pearl-method/">Pearl Method</a>) but one for wisdom. This is why you have apparently contradictory Proverbs back to back (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Prov+26%3A4-5" title="Bible Gateway">Prov 26:4-5</a>) and contradictory Proverbs separated by space (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Prov+11%3A10" title="Bible Gateway">Prov 11:10</a>; 24:17). It calls for some serious wisdom on when to implement one over the other; and quite frankly it is sometimes just impossible. The nature of wisdom literature is to paint two extremes so as to reflect on the differences. It is either Lady Wisdom or Harlot Foolishness. It is either Life or it is death.</p>
<p>So when you read <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Proverbs+21%3A15" title="Bible Gateway">Proverbs 21:15</a></p>
<blockquote><p>When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.</p></blockquote>
<p>It’s not a command, nor is it something that will definitely happen, but it paints a picture of the evildoers position against justice being done.</p>
<p>And when you read <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Proverbs+24%3A19-20" title="Bible Gateway">Proverbs 24:19-20</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Do not fret because of evildoers or be envious of the wicked; for there will be no future for the evil man; the lamp of the wicked will be put out</p></blockquote>
<p>It might be read as a promise, but it should properly refer to the activity of the wise man in relation to the wave of wickedness.</p>
<p><strong>Summarizing Point:</strong> Putting our theology to practice consists of a Biblical robustness that necessarily reaches beyond mere proof-texting. We can’t merely go with the romanticized internal feelings of something not feeling right, or with the rationalistic mentality of something looking like what evil people do. We need to examine a large swath of passages and see how they correlate and a wide variety of circumstances thus allowing God to say what God wishes to be said. God is supreme, and He is judge, and the Kingdoms of the World, when they do right, do right according to His will and should be applauded for that. When they do wrong, even if it is in accordance to his plans, they always are blamed because they willingly did wrong.</p>
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<p><strong>Concluding Points.</strong><br />
So we have passages that speak of individuals not rejoicing over the death of their personal enemies and passages speaking of corporate rejoicing over the death of their corporate enemies. We have an understanding that God judges in the future, but that we see his judgment and justice sometimes right now in the present—and that rejoicing is expected in these situations. But at this point we have to make some mental ties while avoiding extremes.</p>
<ol>
<li> <strong>One extreme is to become holier than God.</strong> Since the sinner has been punished, we should weep and pray for his soul or some such thing. It is appointed for man to die—and if his life is cut off via judgment of his instrument. It is in this world that God has cut the man off to introduce him to judgment. End of opportunity for repentance. A decision has been made. If it happens in the house of God with certain sins, suggests John, what makes us think that the God who even numbers the hairs on heads doesn’t act this way in reality? All of Scripture tells us he does (re-read the book of Daniel for instance). Trying to be holier than God is ultimately idolatrous. God judged, we must agree that He has done right, and we should be happy about that.</li>
<li> <strong>Another extreme is to become holier than other believers in not-rejoicing.</strong> Christians are told to weep with the mourners and rejoice with the rejoicers but it also tells us to be careful when we do either. If there is a legitimate time for mourning, it is actually wrong to look at fellow tear-shedders as doing something morally wrong.  Christians should be incredibly leery of merely finding a proof-text to justify judgment of fellow believers when there is a very deep theological grid-work underlying all of it.</li>
<li> <strong>And yet another extreme is to revel in rejoicing.</strong> We’re believers who have been called to live where we are (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+Cor+7" title="Bible Gateway">1 Cor 7</a>) but that doesn’t mean that we are to be carried away in the actions and activity of the world around us. John tells us that the World System is antithetical to the Christian even while Paul tells us that the <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2008/church/should-christians-vote/">World’s Systems</a> have been <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/2008/current-affairs/how-should-a-christian-act-under-a-president-he-didnt-want/">established</a> by God. To do (horrid) things like raising a decapitated head of one’s enemies is just really missing the point of both the image of God and God’s own justice.</li>
</ol>
<p>All of this tells me that when the enemy of the People is judged by God, cut off, and justice is served: the Lord has done right; the people should rejoice. Just like the Song of Moses rejoices in the cutting off of enemies, there is a rejoicing that should go hand in hand with justice being served. It is not to be avoided merely on the grounds that the Wicked also rejoice in wrongdoing—that just means that they have perverted something that is proper and right.</p>
<p>It might be a sticker situation deciding Who Are The Wicked and Who Aren’t The Wicked but that goes beyond the boundaries of it being okay or not to rejoice. I think that Hitler was obviously “The Wicked” even if the people being killed were sinners. I think that Stalin was obviously “The Wicked” even if the people being killed were unrighteous. In each of those cases, the unrighteous become “The Innocent” that can rightly bring a charge against “The Wicked” and demand a balancing of the scales. In both cases, I think it is right for the people to rejoice over the death of the wicked, but not in some horridly gruesome way (like banners with decapitated heads).</p>
<p>Justice, which belongs to God, triumphed and we should rejoice in that. It happened in time, right now, and that is a foretaste of a future balancing of scales where the God of heaven surely does right and every mouth is shut. We shouldn’t look down on fellow Christians that are rejoicing, but we also shouldn’t become bloodthirsty in our rejoicing.</p>
<p>We should, I think, act wisely in even this and realize that a robust theological foundation is much broader and all-encompassing than a mere proof-text or a blanket statement. One day, we will definitely rejoice when every knee bows, by hook or by crook, to the seated and reigning King—but in the present we can rejoice when we get a foretaste of a government that functions correctly.</p>
<p>Now, what about Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden: should we rejoice that justice has been served against these men? Yes, I think we should. We shouldn’t be morbidly happy about it, but we should say that a government has properly used it’s God-given sword and be happy about that. We shouldn’t be morbidly happy with gruesome depictions of the dead, but we should stand with those who mourned and say “Yes, God’s arm can be seen in this.”</p>

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