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	<title>The Bible Archive &#187; salvation</title>
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	<description>Thoughts from Plymouth Brethren Blogger Rey Reynoso</description>
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		<title>Infographic on 1 Corinthians 2:2</title>
		<link>http://biblearchive.com/blog/2011/study/infographic-on-1-corinthians-22/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoy making graphics and every now and then I have some sort of chart or graphic that makes sense to me, though rarely I share them. One of my favorites is the one on Psalm 110. Here&#8217;s one I had made on 1 Cor 2:2 but without highlighting other verse connections. I should probably [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy making graphics and every now and then I have some sort of chart or graphic that makes sense to me, though rarely I share them. One of my favorites is the <a href="http://biblearchive.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Psalm110_Christological-Water-Shed.jpg">one on </a><a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+110" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 110</a>. Here&#8217;s one I had made on <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+Cor+2%3A2" title="Bible Gateway">1 Cor 2:2</a> but without highlighting other verse connections. I should probably go back and do that. I&#8217;ve included two: one with the intro part of the verse and one which focuses on what Paul might have meant by Jesus Christ and Him Crucified and how that really isn&#8217;t a small thing (in other words, it&#8217;s not Nothing vs. A Little Something; It&#8217;s Nothing&#8211;the Wisdom of the World&#8211;versus A Whole Lot of Something Encapsulated in Three Words).<br />
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		<title>The Gospel In Songs</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We all like music. The most tone-deaf of us enjoy music. You can sometimes hear them, in the shower or in their car, dissonantly barking out a tune. We might not like a particular style (like rap or rock) but we all seem to enjoy music. You know, I think that it might be something [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all like music. The most tone-deaf of us enjoy music. You can sometimes hear them, in the shower or in their car, dissonantly barking out a tune. We might not like a particular style (like rap or rock) but we all seem to enjoy music.</p>
<p>You know, I think that it might be something built into people. We take what moves us emotionally, or even just what is important, and put it into song. Knowing the truth of the alphabet is important: we put it into song. Our country is pretty important: we put that it into song. I really love my wife, my kids and my dog and have dreams of a mini-van: I better make a song. And if we want to get really serious, we sing about ideals which we cherish: like freedom, hope, goodness or love. Ooh: good songs. We sing what we believe in. What we think is important. What we hope for.</p>
<p>Animals just don’t do this.</p>
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<p>Now, don’t get me wrong. I know we have other songs. Silly things like “Let’s Do the Twist” or “Can You Mash Potato”. But I think all that does is bring out the problem.</p>
<p>Many of our songs suffer from a fatal flaw which, I think, points to our main problem. The Twist isn’t only fun, it’s funny—remember when people actually <em>did</em> the Twist? Not anymore. Singing about my dead minivan or my last dog is sad but—hey, you don’t know them.</p>
<p>In fact, don’t we sing national anthems with an unstated concern in the back of our minds? Something we just don’t say aloud? We know that there have been other countries, and other anthems, that are no longer sung since those countries are long gone. No one sings the national anthem of ancient Assyria, anymore. Can this happen to our country?</p>
<p>All our music, we realize, falls short in what it praises. What is the praise of love if those meant to be loved are gone? What is the point of singing about Jane, if Jane loves someone else? What is the purpose of singing about a dance move if dances come and go?</p>
<p>Scripture says that God has placed eternity in the hearts of man (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Ecclesiastes+3%3A11" title="Bible Gateway">Ecclesiastes 3:11</a>) but with our main problem, we have a relative sense of the sheer abruptness of life. We know that relationships break. Nations fail. Life ends. And what we sing about just fades into the past.</p>
<p>Our songs must fail. They ground themselves on what fades away. We’re people who mess up, who purposefully do wrong, who do things that ultimately don’t stand in a world that is always changing, and who add insult to injury by praising things that aren’t permanent.</p>
<p>Relationships fail for tons of reasons often bound in selfishness. Nations burn in war and poverty. Lives end in ruin. Scripture tells us that everyone has sinned; everyone has messed up, and has fallen short of the glory of God (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rom+3%3A23" title="Bible Gateway">Rom 3:23</a>) and that the payback for sin is death (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rom+6%3A23" title="Bible Gateway">Rom 6:23</a>) —a life that ends—and that one day, the world will change drastically. We mess up, we fall short, and the temporariness of it all reflects that reality.</p>
<p>And yet our songs keep striving and hoping without the right focus. They want to reach outward and hold onto love. They want to sing of countries that really stand as a bulwark for something. They want to sing about something that you can bank on, forever.</p>
<p>Enter God.</p>
<p>God, unlike us, is perfect. He is great. He is awesome. He doesn’t change. His love never fails. He’s forever constant.  God is the one subject that can rightly ground all songs. You can’t sing about that time when God broke down. You can’t sing about that time that God failed. You can’t even sing about that time when God once, upon a time, loved you.</p>
<p>So you’ll find in Scripture that songs pointt to one who is always there, who always loves, who can never be conquered. Large swathes of scripture devoted to singing about, and to, God. The Scriptures say that the stars themselves sing out the glory of God (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Psalm+19" title="Bible Gateway">Psalm 19</a>). As Christ entered a city, the people had to sing out praising Him—and if they didn’t, the rocks would (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Luke+19%3A28-40" title="Bible Gateway">Luke 19:28-40</a>).</p>
<p>Then, in <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Revelation+5" title="Bible Gateway">Revelation 5</a> we hear a new song.</p>
<blockquote><p>“Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth.”</p></blockquote>
<p>And</p>
<blockquote><p>“Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”</p></blockquote>
<p>And</p>
<blockquote><p>“To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”  (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rev+5%3A9" title="Bible Gateway">Rev 5:9</a>–13).</p></blockquote>
<p>A Song, rightly grounded in God, sung to a lamb who was killed. And yet lives.</p>
<p>Songs like this can only be sung by those who have bent the knee to him alone who is rightly found song-worthy. Every single tune, every single song, every single whistle falls short and screams for a need to be permanent—but the songs that are sung to Him are the only songs that are grounded in unchanging truth and unfailing love.</p>
<p>You can’t properly sing songs like this without trusting that He is in fact Lord, that He in fact reigns, that He really died, that He in fact bled for you, that one day you will bow to Him in his very presence. Yet some of us sing along without really believing. These songs point outward at a reality that demands to be wrestled with; demands allegiance to the one has died, gave himself for you, and has risen again victoriously—according to the Scriptures— to receive all glory, honor, power and praise.</p>
<p>So what will you do with this? Will you continue on, humming along with songs you don’t really believe, or will you dare to wrestle with the reality on which these songs are permanently grounded: the second person of the Godhead, the Lord Jesus Christ? Trust is rightly placed in Him. Hope is rightly placed in Him. Acclamation is rightly heaped on him. And songs are rightly sung to him.</p>
<p>But can <em>you</em> rightly sing to him? Do <em>you</em> really trust him and his work? Do <em>you</em> really hope in what he did on a cross when he died and when he rose again? Can you <em>really</em> sing out that “Salvation and glory and power belong to our God; BECAUSE HIS JUDGMENTS ARE TRUE AND RIGHTEOUS” (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rev+19%3A1-2" title="Bible Gateway">Rev 19:1-2</a>) while crying out &#8220;Jesus is Lord God who died and bosily rose again&#8221;?</p>
<p>Can you?</p>

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		<title>Holy Saturday Litury of Basil The Great</title>
		<link>http://biblearchive.com/blog/2011/salvation/holy-saturday-litury-of-basil-the-great/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some thoughts from our brothers and sisters in the Eastern Church. Not everything is right and I don&#8217;t approve certain practices but the imagery is pretty nice when you consider it as a picture. Rejoice, you heavens, sound the trumpet, you foundations of the earth, shout aloud your joy, you mountains; for see, Emmanuel has [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts from our brothers and sisters in the Eastern Church. Not everything is right and I don&#8217;t approve certain practices but the imagery is pretty nice when you consider it as a picture.</p>
<p><span id="more-2554"></span>Rejoice, you heavens, sound the trumpet, you foundations of the earth, shout aloud your joy, you mountains; for see, Emmanuel has nailed our sins to the Cross, and he that gives life has slain death and raised up Adam, for he loves mankind.</p>
<p>( From the morning watch until night, from the morning watch: let Israel hope in the Lord.)</p>
<p>Today Hell groans and cries, ‘It were better for me had I not accepted the one born of Mary, for he has come upon me and destroyed my might. He has smashed the gates of brass. Souls which before I held, he, being God, has raised’. Glory, O Lord, to your Cross and to your Resurrection!</p>
<p>( For with the Lord there is mercy, and with him plentiful redemption: and he will redeem Israel from all his iniquities. )</p>
<p>Today Hell groans and cries, ‘It were better for me had I not accepted the one born of Mary, for he has come upon me and destroyed my might. He has smashed the gates of brass. Souls which before I held, he, being God, has raised’. Glory, O Lord, to your Cross and to your Resurrection!</p>

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		<title>An Honest Atonement That Worked</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 20:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just like how my faith was rescued by the resurrection of the Son of God, my theology was generally rescued by Christ’s crucifixion. But to see how that works, I have to give some general preliminaries of what others say. I’m not going into the detail of any of the systems. I’m just touching on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like how my faith was rescued by the resurrection of the Son of God, my theology was generally rescued by Christ’s crucifixion. But to see how that works, I have to give some general preliminaries of what others say. I’m not going into the detail of any of the systems. I’m just touching on them because these are where my personal questions arose, where they collided with the text, and where I had to leave those ideas. Their explanations of key texts made me nervous.</p>
<p><span id="more-2543"></span><strong>So They Say</strong><br />
Calvinists say that God’s mission was to glorify himself and to do that he would bring in many sons to glory. He prepared vessels of mercy beforehand to show mercy to and the rest he passed over (or elected to make reprobate: there’s some discussion on that point). But to rescue these many sons there must be the shedding of blood for the remission of sins. Therefore Christ was sent to pay for their sins—not for anyone else’s. His sacrifice was enough to rescue all but it was particularly applied to those that were chosen: the elect.  The Atonement, therefore, secured the redemption and salvation of the elect.</p>
<p>Arminians say that God sent his Son to die to make a way possible for any who believed: redemption is obtained but salvation isn’t secured for anyone unless they believe and keep believing. So it wasn’t a pre-chosen group that was being atoned for, it was a category called “Those Who Believe”.  That group winds up being known, but in no sense was the crucifixion particularly for a group—even if in effect it is solely for that group.</p>
<p>Others have different explanations. Ockhamists say that Christs death was for all, redeeming the world unto Himself, but that his love results in an effectual call that draws those who will be saved. The Atonement, therefore, is the love of God reaching outwards. Molinists say that Christ’s work of redemption is for all, making an actual payment for all, but applied only to those who believe.</p>
<p>Pelagians say that Christ’s death is a necessary example that was accomplished so that humans could break out of the cycle of damnation and sin that they were part of. Atonement was helpful but not necessary. Semi-Pelagians might say that Christ’s death was effectively the extended hand of God that was being reached for by those who were reaching out to God. They couldn’t save themselves so he supplied a solution in the atoning work of Christ. Now if they believe they get helped.</p>
<p>Universalists say that Christ’s death was accomplished to save all by paying for the sins of all. No one is ultimately damned. Of course, Universalists split up how this is accomplished (either all are elect and are irresistibly drawn or all eventually willfully come to Christ, even if some spend time in separation).</p>
<p><strong>What Sayeth The Scriptures?</strong><br />
The Atonement is impossible to be accomplished solely by humans (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Ps+49%3A7" title="Bible Gateway">Ps 49:7</a>–8). In the Old Testament, atonement worked when the shed blood was applied (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Lev+4%3A20" title="Bible Gateway">Lev 4:20</a>; 16; 17:11). It is for those who apply it (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+6%3A51" title="Bible Gateway">John 6:51</a>) which automatically denies something to those who don’t take it and yet it is not merited (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Tit+3%3A5" title="Bible Gateway">Tit 3:5</a>). It winds up with a purchase of people from every nation, tribe, and tongue (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rev+5%3A9" title="Bible Gateway">Rev 5:9</a>) So, the atonement definitely worked.</p>
<p>The Scriptures tell us that Christ’s atoning work would provide salvation for many (Is 53:10–11; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Matt+20%3A28" title="Bible Gateway">Matt 20:28</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Eph+1%3A7" title="Bible Gateway">Eph 1:7</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+Pet+2%3A24-25" title="Bible Gateway">1 Pet 2:24-25</a>) which includes us (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+Jo+4%3A10" title="Bible Gateway">1 Jo 4:10</a>), those who have faith (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rom+3%3A24-26" title="Bible Gateway">Rom 3:24-26</a>), people (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Heb+2%3A17" title="Bible Gateway">Heb 2:17</a>), the sheep (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+10%3A11" title="Bible Gateway">John 10:11, 17-18</a>), the ungodly (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Romans+5%3A6-21" title="Bible Gateway">Romans 5:6-21</a>), sinners (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=2+Cor+5%3A18-20" title="Bible Gateway">2 Cor 5:18-20</a>) the unjust (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+Pet+3%3A18" title="Bible Gateway">1 Pet 3:18</a>), the heretic (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=2+Peter+2%3A1" title="Bible Gateway">2 Peter 2:1</a>) and everyone (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+Tim+4%3A10" title="Bible Gateway">1 Tim 4:10</a>) of the entire world (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+1%3A29" title="Bible Gateway">John 1:29</a>; 4:42; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+John+2%3A2" title="Bible Gateway">1 John 2:2</a>). This is much broader than the Elect, something <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+John+2%3A2" title="Bible Gateway">1 John 2:2</a> outright denies.</p>
<p>Some Calvinists have been quick to point out that the many is the Church, the whole World is all who are being saved, and All are All Those Who Believe. They redefine the terms to suit their theology. Scripture is the reason why other Calvinists consider themselves Four, instead of Five, Pointers.</p>
<p>If they consider it problematic, why shouldn’t I? Say the Five Pointers, like Sproul or Packer: those who are Four Pointers have misunderstood one of the other points. That is dishonest. The problem is with the doctrine of a particular atonement not aligning with Scripture, it is not with getting one’s theological ducks lined up to quack in harmony.</p>
<p>This entire thing of Particular Redemption doesn’t jive with Scripture which teaches that the extent of the redemption as total: of the entire world (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+3%3A15-17" title="Bible Gateway">John 3:15-17</a>), those who were under law (which is everyone: <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Gal+4%3A4-5" title="Bible Gateway">Gal 4:4-5</a>), indeed all things (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Col+1%3A20-22" title="Bible Gateway">Col 1:20-22</a>). Or with the call to believe being offered to all (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Acts+2%3A21" title="Bible Gateway">Acts 2:21</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rom+10%3A13" title="Bible Gateway">Rom 10:13</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rev+22%3A17" title="Bible Gateway">Rev 22:17</a>) The Atonement’s scope in Scripture is no less than universal because it is easier to explain the limited passages in light of the universal passages (cf. <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Gal+2%3A20" title="Bible Gateway">Gal 2:20</a>. No one thinks Christ died only for Paul).</p>
<p>And at this point Calvinists raise the question: well, if everyone is atoned for then everyone is saved? Universalists say this is true. But Scripture speaks quite emphatically about people not being saved, going to hell, and facing judgment.</p>
<p>Indeed, this idea of a universal atonement resulting in universal salvation is only accurate if the interpretation of Christ’s work on the cross is specifically tied together to election and salvation via special pleading. The idea comes piggybacked on the doctrine of election which weaves into the tapestry but stands contrary to Scripture.  Calvinists asks “If Christ died for all, does that necessarily mean all are saved?” Universalists are quick to point out that this is the case and cite that Christ’s dead is to draw all men to Himself (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=John+12%3A32" title="Bible Gateway">John 12:32</a>) and those universal passages add that extra weight while reminding us of <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Exodus+11" title="Bible Gateway">Exodus 11</a> and the Children of Israel. The blood of the lamb covered everyone in the house but those who didn’t apply the blood of the lamb would face death.  This is further substantiated by salvation being consistently withheld from the rebellious (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Jos+22%3A22" title="Bible Gateway">Jos 22:22</a>), the unbelievers (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Mk+16%3A16" title="Bible Gateway">Mk 16:16</a>; Lu 8:12; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Jn+3%3A36" title="Bible Gateway">Jn 3:36</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=2+Th+2%3A10" title="Bible Gateway">2 Th 2:10</a>; Re 21:8) and the wicked (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Ps+119%3A155" title="Bible Gateway">Ps 119:155</a>) and only applicable to those who believe (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Romans+10" title="Bible Gateway">Romans 10</a>)</p>
<p><strong>Questions</strong><br />
If the atonement is enough for all, why not all? If the atonement is specifically for the elect, how is it right to charge the non-elect for rejecting the Atonement? Doesn’t this make the appeal to believe the cross work of Christ fundamentally dishonest? If the atonement is an empty category and the mission is to save people, then how is this atonement that works? If this atoning work was an example, then what good is it? Why couldn’t it have been something else?</p>
<p>But then deeper Biblical and Theological questions arise: what’s the point of the cross work of Christ? Maybe something else is going on with the atonement that doesn’t necessitate purchasing only specific individuals for salvation? I mean, <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Hebrews+2" title="Bible Gateway">Hebrews 2</a> says that the death on the cross was the means for Jesus being crowned with glory and honor as a second Adam—the head of a new human race. It says he tasted death for everyone (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Heb+2%3A9" title="Bible Gateway">Heb 2:9</a>) for a reason: what is that reason?  It was through this death that he is given authority (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Col+3" title="Bible Gateway">Col 3</a>) and power (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Rom+1%3A2" title="Bible Gateway">Rom 1:2</a>; <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+Cor+15%3A55" title="Bible Gateway">1 Cor 15:55</a>) over all creation. So why make it a main concern to be about saving the Elect? Indeed, the explicit verse we have of God saving an individual (<a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Gal+2%3A20" title="Bible Gateway">Gal 2:20</a>), none of us take to mean that only that individual was atoned for&#8230;so why limit on a broader circle that doesn’t consist of the totality explicated in Scripture?</p>
<p>Did God have to save humanity? Arminians and Calvinists strike me as having to say it was necessary; Arminians by necessity of foreknowledge and Calvinists by necessity of foreordination and God’s glory. Indeed, some Calvinists make it seem as if all this adds to God’s glory—which is crazy. God doesn’t need us.  I think the Hebrews passage and Phillipians 2, <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=1+Corinthians+15" title="Bible Gateway">1 Corinthians 15</a>, <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Romans+5" title="Bible Gateway">Romans 5</a>, <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Acts+2" title="Bible Gateway">Acts 2</a> and <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Acts+13" title="Bible Gateway">Acts 13</a> shows that he only had to save one human: Christ Jesus. He vindicated Him by raising Him from the dead but he didn’t have to save anyone else. He saved him by giving him unending life—he doesn’t need to give him kids. But, he also gives all things into his hands. All creation, all people, all things, including those who are God the Fathers—they all belong to Christ. As the head of Humanity 2.0 he can do what He wants with them.</p>
<p>And <a class="scripturizer"  href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NASB&amp;passage=Hebrews+2" title="Bible Gateway">Hebrews 2</a> it says that Christ can stand with those who are flesh and blood and call them brothers before God. Not everyone. The ones who are partakers of holiness. The ones who are being made perfect. It seems to me that the Atonement actually works in what it was sent to do. It makes all redeemable and then comes up with a condition for that redemption: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. If this wasn’t the case, wouldn’t it make every call in Scripture to repent and believe a magical and empty appeal? Plus, there’s nothing important about this specific condition except the fact that God demands it. Couldn’t it have been any other condition?  It could have been any other condition like some impossible law abiding? Why would God stipulate this arbitrary and silly thing? So that he can count a silly and arbitrary thing as righteousness based on his own grace, yes, and doesn’t that make more sense than some magic words that do nothing but activate a magical foreign faith made available by a magical work on a cross?</p>
<p>Doesn’t  Christ’s death work for a very different reason than what Calvinists and Arminians say? Doesn’t it say that all are purchased and then the requirement for application is stipulated as belief? And then, don’t the Scriptures repeatedly show people given a chance to respond in their own situation? And isn’t it so, that in every situation, the Lord is free to do what he wants with them? Isn’t the fact that He opts to do what He promises ultimately up to Him and not up to us at all?</p>
<p>Too many questions that are easier explained by Scriptural answers: Limited Atonement, no matter what it is called, winds up being rejected. It must be. It is a philosophical solution (nothing wrong with that) to a Biblical problem (nothing wrong with that either) which is already explained in the text (this is the real problem) and it is explained in this way: the atonement, Christ dying for all, is effective for all; redemptive of every single individual, but is only applicable when appropriated by faith.  Just as God says: the just shall survive by trusting God to save.</p>

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Narcissism. The web (a blog) is all about Me. Who cares about what I say? Who cares if I’ve gotten to a point with soteriology (that is the study of salvation) where I might tentatively define myself by a label again? No one cares. But I post it anyway. I’ve often said that I write for myself and you should feel free to read over my shoulder. So this is going to be more stream of consciousness than my usual writing.</p>
<p>Years ago, when I first became a believer and actually started to read Scriptures, I thought that everything that happened, everything that occurred, was predetermined and ultimately the cause for everything happening. Everything was inevitable and outside of anything to do with me. I very much believed that if I sinned, it was preordained; if I did good, it was preordained; If I preached, it was preordained; if I didn’t preach it was preordained.  I was, quite literally, a fatalist.</p>
<p>It was a depressing place to be even if I only knew that in retrospect.</p>
<p><span id="more-2540"></span>Eventually I rejected that and became something closer to a Calvinist, though a slightly mixed bag one. I was convinced that the only reason I believed was because God decided to prepare me beforehand as a vessel of mercy. I saw the Fall as something God preordained and used as a means to ensure that the elect are saved and the damned weren’t. I would speak to people as if God’s genuine grace was being offered to all but I never knew if it was being offered to this or that person. I thought that a sinner was dead in his sins, unable to respond to God without God’s specific calling of them.  I thought that if you continue believing (especially before passing away), then you were always one of the elect; if not, you weren’t. I felt dishonest when I said things like “God loves you.” And I started, in my mind, to mean “You, plural.”</p>
<p>Eventually I rejected that as well because I had too many Biblical questions. Mostly from the book of Romans; always from context of passages. I found myself unable to make excuses for passages or embarrassed when I was redefining things to fit into what I believed. At that point I stopped thinking about salvation and just let it be: it was beyond me, just preach the Gospel. Stick to the text.</p>
<p>Years after, I was handed books: Saved Without A Doubt by Macarthur; Chosen by God by Sproul; Horton’s Putting Amazing Back Into Grace and others. I was told that these books would reinvent the way I thought about God and my position before him. They would open my eyes to the Awesomeness of God. Here were people that thought things through!</p>
<p>The old questions came back. This time with a vengeance. I was reading my Scriptures at the same time and I made a point of studying Romans with several commentaries close at hand. I read through systematic theologies that pointed to the necessity of believing in Calvinism. I was nervous. I was seeing things in Scripture that was completely contrary to what these guys kept inserting into their books but who am I? I don’t know Greek. I never went to seminary. Who am I?</p>
<p>I examined the footnotes and read the books these people were responding to. Geisler. Robert Shank. The list grew. I’ve found myself reading the writings of Van Til, Warfield, occasionally Bavinck, Luther, Edwards, Arminius, Ockham, Modern day Thomists like Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, Roger Olson, the writings of Augustine and the Early Church, the work of William Lane Craig, Alvin Plantinga, the quotes of Pelagius and recently the works of Thomas Oden and also Luis De Molina. These books aren’t even the full range of the things I’ve read on the topic. All of these people using Scripture. All of them working out a theology from the text and trying to make sense of something they almost all call inscrutable.</p>
<p>This all repeatedly sent me back to the text of Scripture. Questions were raised in light of these teachers. I am firmly not a Calvinist, I know that. But I also don’t think I’m an Arminian though I’ve been called that. Maybe I am. Like I said, I’ve tended to avoid the labels.</p>
<p>I’m not going to bother unraveling or examining the systems. Calvinism isn’t really TULIP and you can’t really address it in five easy to contain posts. Plus, back in the day I had a guest poster who did that already. But even so, Calvinism is a tapestry whereby each of its points runs through the entire thing. Arminianism likewise contains many ins and outs and one might want to differentiate between Classical Arminianism, Wesleyism, Finneyism and modern day Arminianism. And how can one even touch on Pelagianism, Thomism, Molinism and so on? So these series of posts are questions, raised by (1) Scripture, (2) reason and philosophy and sometimes (3) Church History that have brought me to somewhere else.</p>

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