{"id":1791,"date":"2010-04-16T20:11:41","date_gmt":"2010-04-17T01:11:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/biblearchive.com\/blog\/?p=1791"},"modified":"2010-04-16T20:11:41","modified_gmt":"2010-04-17T01:11:41","slug":"philosophy-fridays-are-numbers-etc-real","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/biblearchive.com\/blog\/philosophy-fridays-are-numbers-etc-real\/","title":{"rendered":"Philosophy Fridays: Are Numbers (etc) Real?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Every now and then, on a Friday, I&#8217;ll step into the deep waters of Philosophy, ramble on some idea and maybe even interact with something I might be reading. Most of the time, a real philosopher could probably read my drivel and speak into it offering a corrective\u2014but for now I&#8217;ll speak from ignorance. After all, it is Friday; what better way to have fun than with philosophy. In this post I&#8217;ll answer the question &#8220;Are Numbers (etc) Real?&#8221; \u00a0in under 700 words. Heh.<\/p>\n<p><!--more-->&#8220;Now,&#8221; the reader says &#8220;of course they&#8217;re real, look here, you just wrote the number 700 up top which consists of a 7 and a 0\u2014and you did it again!&#8221; In fact, if numbers weren&#8217;t real go ahead and add a few zeroes to the end of my sevens in my bank account.But I&#8217;m not talking about numerals. I could&#8217;ve written the numeral as DCC followed by an explanation of how this is really made up of several VII&#8217;s. What I&#8217;m wondering is if there is Something Out There that gives meaning to our concept of 7. So if you point at a table that has some dudes sitting on it, you can count 1,2,3,4,5,6, and 7 and say &#8220;there are seven dudes on that table&#8221; but why? Do they invoke the actual number seven from the ether and evidence that number in our reality?<\/p>\n<p>And this doesn&#8217;t only apply to numbers. For example, if I say the phrase &#8220;Rey is an artist&#8221;, it seems to be only true if there is a Rey who actually has the universal property of artist (in whatever sense someone uses that term). So Artist really does exist, somewhere, even if it&#8217;s not a tangible thing. Just like the perfect triangle exists, somewhere, even if all triangles that pop into being (via a kids drawing or architecture) isn&#8217;t that actual triangle. What they have is the property of triangles.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe it&#8217;s easier to get with colors. You tell a kid, what color is this ball and they&#8217;d say &#8220;red&#8221;. But you know that the ball is crimson red and not cadmium red. Now let&#8217;s say you examine the ball with photoshop&#8217;s eye dropper tool and we get the CMYK values of 2, 99, 95.2, 10. But it&#8217;s still red. Well, it&#8217;s not the actual red\u2014but we don&#8217;t even know what that is, right? We just know that the ball has the property of redness.<\/p>\n<p>Going back to numbers then, maybe there are actual numbers somewhere but when we look at that table with 7 men we&#8217;re not seeing the actual 7, we&#8217;re seeing these men portraying the property of seven\u2014say, seveness.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe this is all baloney though. I mean, if these things were real we would have to have an infinite amount of real immaterial things existing so that we can explain anything around us. The Number 1 would have to be as real as the number 1.273&#215;10^45. And if these things are immaterial and have no real power, how is it that we&#8217;re summoning their property into being just by doing things a certain way (say using the CMYK values of 2-99-95-10 or seating 7 men on a table). \u00a0And worst, where do these things even exist? There would have to be somewhere to house this infinite number of immaterial and abstract objects.<\/p>\n<p>Or maybe these things do exist in the mind\u2014either ours or God&#8217;s. Of course, if they exist in God&#8217;s mind, we&#8217;re left wondering how to get access to them, but if they&#8217;re part of our mind then we can access them immediately. But if they&#8217;re part of our mind, then why bother saying they&#8217;re real at all? Maybe they&#8217;re just constructs that we categorize things by in which case the terms exist (because we make them exist) but the actual being of numbers or colors or triangles don&#8217;t exist.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s definitely easier to think that, and then we don&#8217;t have to worry about an infinite number of objects or scratching our head if something is red or not.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Every now and then, on a Friday, I&#8217;ll step into the deep waters of Philosophy, ramble on some idea and maybe even interact with something I might be reading. Most of the time, a real philosopher could probably read my drivel and speak into it offering a corrective\u2014but for now I&#8217;ll speak from ignorance. 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