{"id":190,"date":"2005-04-06T16:10:29","date_gmt":"2005-04-06T21:10:29","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2011-11-30T09:32:17","modified_gmt":"2011-11-30T14:32:17","slug":"xvthe-dilema-of-law-romans-7","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/biblearchive.com\/blog\/xvthe-dilema-of-law-romans-7\/","title":{"rendered":"XV.The Dilema Of Law (Romans 7)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Shane asked a couple of questions in the comments section for <a href=\"content\/view\/303\/\">Romans 6<\/a>.\u00a0&#8220;Is this then to say that the Law was done away with Christ&#8217;s\u00a0sacrifice? Did the Law ever condemn or was it sin that condemned? How\u00a0do we determine which pieces of the Law are still binding?&#8221; I&#8217;m sure\u00a0Brother <a href=\"http:\/\/shane.5twenty8.com\/\">Shane<\/a>\u00a0won&#8217;t mind if I make these questions the basis of this stage of the\u00a0defense of God by Paul (herein referred to as Sha&#8217;ul)&#8230;as in the text.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I believe Shane feared that I was heading towards an abolishment of the\u00a0Law but he may need to reprimand me if he notices where this post is\u00a0going. Shane quotes Ya&#8217;akov (2:19-23) where Avraham is &#8220;justified by\u00a0his works&#8217; to defend the goodness of the Law and the benefit of keeping\u00a0it.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s follow the apostle Sha&#8217;ul&#8217;s defense here. Believers have (1) died\u00a0to the Law through the body of Messiah (2) and have been joined to\u00a0Messiah in the raising of the dead (3) so as to bear fruit for God.\u00a0Because: (1) in the flesh, sinful passions by the Law (2) worked in the\u00a0members of the believer&#8217;s body (3) to bring fruit to death. Now: (1*)\u00a0Believers have been released from the Law; (2*) died to that by which\u00a0they were bound; (3*) serve in newness of the Spirit and not oldness of\u00a0letter. (Rom 7:4-6). The only fruit that came through the law was death\u00a0because of sinful passions.<\/p>\n<table border=\"1\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><span class=\"small\">Purpose:<\/span><\/td>\n<td><span class=\"small\">Because:<\/span><\/td>\n<td><span class=\"small\">Now:<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><span class=\"small\">Died<br \/>\nto Law<\/span><\/td>\n<td><span class=\"small\">Sinful<br \/>\nPassions by Law<\/span><\/td>\n<td><span class=\"small\">Released<br \/>\nfrom Law<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><span class=\"small\">Joined<br \/>\nto Messiah<\/span><\/td>\n<td><span class=\"small\">Working<br \/>\nin Flesh<\/span><\/td>\n<td><span class=\"small\">Died<br \/>\nto the Bind<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><span class=\"small\">Fruit<br \/>\nfor God<\/span><\/td>\n<td><span class=\"small\">Fruit<br \/>\nto Death<\/span><\/td>\n<td><span class=\"small\">Newness<br \/>\nof Spirit<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Sha&#8217;ul stops the reader: Is the Law sin? Vehemently no.\u00a0The Law is not sin and never has been. Sha&#8217;ul agrees with Shane insofar\u00a0that the Law is perfect and good and holy. Sha&#8217;ul acknowledges that he\u00a0wouldn&#8217;t even have known sin except the Law had told him what was sin.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s not is it that Sha&#8217;ul is saying that there was no sin\u00a0before the Law? No, but instead he is illustrating how the Law, if you\u00a0will, perfected sin. Sin reigned before the Law but by means of the\u00a0commandment, the drawn line, sin was able to perfect its attack. Sure\u00a0there were all types of coveting before the Law, but when the\u00a0commandment came it became refined. Sin thus gained its power and life\u00a0from the expression of &#8220;Don&#8217;t do this!&#8217; and in so doing a person, specifically the Jew though, is\u00a0slain.<\/p>\n<p>Is Sha&#8217;ul referring only to his pre-salvation days? Not\u00a0necessarily (even if likely). Haven&#8217;t you found it, soon after being saved and starting\u00a0to understand God&#8217;s commands just how woefully short you fall of them?\u00a0Yeshua makes the point that Lawbreaking is done in our hearts&#8211;but even\u00a0the Law said as much in &#8216;You shall not covet.&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>So the Law which is good and perfect, does it become death? No. Sin is\u00a0what effected death but it could only do so through that which is good,\u00a0taking the commandment of &#8220;Don&#8217;t do this&#8221; breaking it, then proving\u00a0itself utterly sinful and resulting in condemnation.<\/p>\n<p>The &#8220;will to sin&#8221; is still present within the believer&#8217;s body.\u00a0The believing (specifically Jewish) sinner has died to the Law and been married to another&#8211;thank God\u00a0for that. But at this point, it&#8217;s not that the believer is only legally\u00a0under the power of sin, he is a slave to sin and not just in bad\u00a0habits. The (specifically Jewish) believer can agree in his mind with the Law, agreeing with\u00a0that perfect good which, in essence says &#8220;Be ye perfect as your Father\u00a0in heaven is perfect&#8221; but sin taking opportunity brings the war inside\u00a0a believer&#8217;s body.<\/p>\n<p>The will to sin is raging against the will to be holy. The will\u00a0to the flesh as a system is constantly struggling with the will to be Spiritual as a system, that is the way things operate.\u00a0The believer now finds that his sin is powered by the desire of not\u00a0wanting to obey God.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s worse than we thought. If you wish to read it this way,\u00a0the letter to the Romans started off showing us how guilty we were in\u00a0our sin, meriting the wrath of God. After dealing with that problem,\u00a0Sha&#8217;ul shows that we have inherited Adam&#8217;s sin nature. After dealing\u00a0with that, Sha&#8217;ul underscores how much worse it is: we have this sin\u00a0nature currently alive and well in our bodies. So who will deliver us\u00a0from these sin\u00a0empowered\u00a0bodies?<\/p>\n<p>Thank God, it is Yeshua the Messiah our Lord! We have this battle\u00a0constantly going in our members, and in fact taking sides within our\u00a0being but we know that there is now no condemnation, no death sentence\u00a0as required by the Law, for those who are in Messiah Yeshua. The law of\u00a0the spirit of life in Messiah Yeshua has set us free from the law of\u00a0sin and of death. Which law? Generically, the same law that Sha&#8217;ul spoke of which is\u00a0Prescript plus Punishment under which sin thrives and strives versus\u00a0the law of the spirit which has nothing to do with Condemnation found\u00a0in the punishment clause of law.<\/p>\n<p>The Law, though perfect, had a weakness in what it expected\u00a0sinful flesh to perform. But God&#8217;s son came in that likeness of sinful\u00a0flesh and put the death sentence on sin in the flesh so that the\u00a0requirement of Law is now fulfilled in us, not in the flesh but\u00a0according to the Spirit (Rom 8:4).<\/p>\n<p>Does this now mean we can go back to the Law and try to carry\u00a0it out in the flesh? Sha&#8217;ul will answer this here in Romans 8 but I\u00a0would have us take a look at Galatians 3&#8243;having begun in the Spirit are\u00a0we now to go back to the Law to be made perfect in the flesh?&#8221; Is that\u00a0the point: to enable us to keep the Law, the so-called &#8220;Rule of Life&#8221;?\u00a0The word of God records that our setting of mind is not on the Law but\u00a0rather the Spirit because, as a believer we are people according to the\u00a0Spirit (Rom 8:5).<\/p>\n<p><em>&#8220;Is this then to say that the Law was done away with Christ&#8217;s\u00a0sacrifice?&#8221;<\/em> No, the purpose of the Law was to point the person under\u00a0Law (that would be specifically the Jew) to the only one who fulfilled the Law&#8217;s requirements. But Messiah died,\u00a0completing the condemnation clause of the Law for any and all who\u00a0believe.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<em>Did the Law ever condemn or was it sin that condemned<\/em>?&#8221; The\u00a0Law brought the condemnation but it only did such by the sin taking\u00a0occasion through the Commandment.<\/p>\n<p><em>&#8220;How do we determine which pieces of\u00a0the Law are still &#8216;binding&#8217;?&#8221;<\/em> We don&#8217;t have to for the Law was a\u00a0prescription against the flesh but we are to be bound according to the\u00a0Spirit.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"content\/view\/235\/51\/\" target=\"_blank\">Justification&#8217;s Hole: God&#8217;s righteousness in the mind introduced (Rom 5b)<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"content\/view\/303\/\">Reckon Yourself Dead (Romans 6a<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"content\/view\/323\/\">Which Part Got Crucified (Romans 6b)<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Shane asked a couple of questions in the comments section for Romans 6.\u00a0&#8220;Is this then to say that the Law was done away with Christ&#8217;s\u00a0sacrifice? 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How\u00a0do we determine which pieces of the Law are still binding?&#8221; I&#8217;m sure\u00a0Brother Shane\u00a0won&#8217;t mind if I make these [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[34,3],"tags":[725,909],"class_list":["post-190","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-romans","category-study","tag-jeiwish","tag-romans"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>XV.The Dilema Of Law (Romans 7) - Rey Reynoso&#039;s Bible Archive<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/biblearchive.com\/blog\/xvthe-dilema-of-law-romans-7\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"XV.The Dilema Of Law (Romans 7) - Rey Reynoso&#039;s Bible Archive\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Shane asked a couple of questions in the comments section for Romans 6.\u00a0&#8220;Is this then to say that the Law was done away with Christ&#8217;s\u00a0sacrifice? 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