{"id":203,"date":"2005-06-23T07:30:00","date_gmt":"2005-06-23T11:30:00","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2005-07-20T15:15:19","modified_gmt":"2005-07-20T19:15:19","slug":"noah-and-baptism-tmp2-peter-32021","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/biblearchive.com\/blog\/noah-and-baptism-tmp2-peter-32021\/","title":{"rendered":"Noah and Baptism -tmp(2 Peter 3:20,21)"},"content":{"rendered":"

If you remember a commenter stated that water baptism is
\nnecessary for salvation<\/a>. It seems that by salvation he meant both justification
\nand regeneration in that he believed water baptism was (a) necessary for the
\nforgiveness of sins and (b) that you are raised to life by means of water baptism.
\nWe’ve worked our way through several baptismal accounts and have been eroding
\nat his foundation (simultaneously addressing some other baptismal concerns and
\nGod-willing reflecting a Bible based study). At this point though my commenter
\nbrought up the (in)famous 1 Peter text as undeniable proof of baptism that
\nsaves us.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

[the spirits now in prison] who once were disobedient, when
\nthe patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction
\nof the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through
\nthe water. Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt
\nfrom the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the
\nresurrection of Jesus Christ, ({{1 Pet 3:20-21}})<\/p>\n

So how do we reconcile Peter’s words with the volumes of
\nScripture reflecting the salvation is of God by grace and through faith? Do the
\ntechnical aspects of the passage support Rory’s argument?<\/p>\n

Peter aligns our thinking by showing us Noah and his ark so
\nit would probably be best to look at the historical event of the flood and the
\nNew Testament usage of the narrative.<\/p>\n

Genesis 6 gives us a setting of the sons of God seeing the
\ndaughters of men and taking wives from among them. God declares that there is
\nan irreconcilable problem between Himself and Man—man is flesh. Another key
\nfeature of this time was the wickedness of man which was very great. {{Genesis
\n6:5}} shows us how depraved humanity had become that every intent of man’s heart
\nwas only continual evil. This was willful, blatant, focused thinking on evil.
\nGod felt sorry for making man on earth and was grieved. The decision He made
\nwasn’t a light one as He decided to wipe the earth but Noah found favor in the His
\neyes. While the wickedness of man in his thoughts and actions was focused on
\ncorruption and violence ({{Gen 6:11, 12}}) God gave Noah precise details on what
\nwas to come and the way out. Here’s the clincher: Noah did according to all
\nthat God had commanded him ({{Gen 6:22}}). God told Noah to get into the ark with
\nhis close family and Noah still obeyed right up to judgment day ({{Gen 7:5}}).
\nAnimals came by twos into the ark and finally, then the rain and when the
\nwaters prevailed on the earth for one hundred and fifty days (after forty days
\nand nights of rain), God remembered them and caused a wind to pass over the
\nearth and the water subsided ({{Gen 8:1}})<\/p>\n

Jesus used an aspect of this story to direct people’s think
\n({{Luke 17:26, 27}}). The people were drinking and merry, said Jesus, being given
\nin marriage right up until the day the flood came and destroyed them all. The
\nday of the Son of Man will occur in the same way…catching people off-guard.
\nThere may be rumors of it happening and lots of finger pointing ({{Lk 17:23}}) but
\nit will come by complete surprise.<\/p>\n

{{Heb 11:7"" shows us a very different angle on the narrative.
\nThe writer directs our attention to Noah’s faith and eyes. He ignores the
\ndetails of the story and doesn’t even look at the people all around while
\ntelling us of Noah who didn’t see what God had promised would come, but went on
\nby faith to do what God told him to do. In reverently doing this he saved his
\nwhole household.<\/p>\n

Peter {{(2 Pet 2}}) directs our attention to something else when
\nhe looks at the historical flood. He doesn’t bother looking at Noah’s faith or
\nthe mindset of the people…but at the actual wrath of God in the event. His
\nNoahic flood beat is already part of an established cadence in the text. False
\nteachers will arise bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Many will
\nfollow their sensuality and exploit believers with their lies: their wrath and
\ndestruction is coming and is not idle. Now there’s the starting beat and here
\ncomes the rhythm: God didn’t spare the angels but cast them into pits of
\ndarkness reserved for judgment; God didn’t spare the ancient world but brought
\na flood upon the ungodly; God didn’t spare Sodom
\nand Gomorrah
\nbut reduced them to ashes as an example. But God rescued Lot
\nproving that God knows how to rescue the godly while keeping the unrighteous
\nunder wrath. <\/p>\n

Before I go any further would it be fair to squeeze these
\ntexts and make them do more than what they’re doing? For instance, take the
\nLuke passage to show that no one will be saved from judgment but that the wrath
\nof God will fall on everyone alike unless people build boats. Or maybe take the
\nHebrews passage to make it say that the faith of Dad is enough to save his
\nwhole household? How about I take the {{2 <\/sup>Peter}} passage to show that
\nreal salvation only happens during wrath? None of those things make contextual
\nsense.<\/p>\n

Peter argues the point that if a person proves zealous for
\nwhat is good it doesn’t matter who is there to harm them. Because a person
\nsuffering for the sake of righteousness is blessed and shouldn’t fear the
\nintimidation and troubling that comes as a result of that. The person is to set
\nChrist as Lord in their heart, being ready to defend and give an account of the
\nhope within with gentleness and reverence. This is to be done with a good
\nconscience so that slanderers would be put to shame. For it is better that a
\nperson suffers (beneath God’s will) for doing good ({{1 Pet 3:13-17}}). <\/p>\n

Now Peter illustrates this point in the following verses ({{1
\nPet 3:18-21}}). Particularly with the Noahic flood and how eight people were
\nbrought safely through the water of the rainfall and the flood. They were not
\ninjured but were brought safely through the potential of their death. But first
\nPeter draws our attention to the long wait during the construction of the ark…a
\nlong period of continued work by the will of God culminating and going through
\nthe destruction by water. These folk were safe, their good openly expressed
\nbefore everyone and even after the fact when we look back and see them as the
\nonly survivors.<\/p>\n

In that same manner baptism saves us—not the physical
\nremoval of dirt from the flesh which is found in the dipping of a human body in
\nwater, but the public pledge or appeal to God by a good conscience through the
\nresurrection of Jesus Christ. Check this out, a 1st<\/sup> Century Jew believes
\nand is saved, but now is publicly baptized with a good conscience making a
\npledge that “I stand with Jesus, the resurrected Messiah who is at the very
\nright hand of the Eternal God and in celestial majesty.”  The 1st<\/sup> Century Jew is effectively
\nputting up a billboard that says “persecute me” but he doesn’t care….for if it
\nis the will of God it is better to suffer for doing good then to get by while
\ndoing wrong.<\/p>\n

-r-
\n<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
The Full Series<\/span>\n <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1. Baptism Necessary for Salvation?<\/a>
\n2. One Baptism Versus the Many?<\/a>
\n3. Baptism and Big Problems<\/a>
\n4. Baptismal Regeneration (Acts 2:28)<\/a>
\n5. Deluge of Baptism Questions (Acts 1-22)<\/a>
\n6. Baptism and Romans (Rom 6:1-11)<\/a>
\n7. Noah and Baptism (2 Peter 3:20,21)<\/a>
\n8. Paul On Baptism (1 Cor 1:14-18)<\/a>
\n
\n9. The Error of Infant Baptism<\/a>
\n
\n10. Remember Your Baptism (Rom 6:1-11)<\/a>
\nRelated
\n
\nRuss On Baptism<\/a>
\nBaptism of Linkage<\/a><\/span>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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