{"id":215,"date":"2005-05-24T07:30:00","date_gmt":"2005-05-24T11:30:00","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2005-07-20T15:09:10","modified_gmt":"2005-07-20T19:09:10","slug":"baptism-and-big-problems","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/biblearchive.com\/blog\/baptism-and-big-problems\/","title":{"rendered":"Baptism and Big Problems"},"content":{"rendered":"

In our last post we touched on a few things. Namely, that
\nbefore Christianity there were ceremonial baptisms, or washings, of the Old
\nTestament and the baptism of John. We looked at John’s purpose in baptism and
\nwe looked at what the people did as they went to get baptized. We also mentioned
\nsome baptisms<\/a> brought by Christ—one with the Holy Spirit and one with fire. Lastly,
\nwe managed to begin to see what role water played in the giving of the Holy
\nSpirit in the book of Acts. Today, we start to encounter problems…<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

The Baptism of Jesus Christ <\/strong>
\nJesus Christ did a couple of things in this baptism which
\nare said explicitly in the text. One, this procedure was submitted to for the
\npurpose of fulfilling all righteousness—no repentance of sin mentioned ({{Matt
\n3:13-15}}). Two this baptism told John that the person he was looking for was
\nhere ({{John 1:22-36}}). Three, it typifies the baptism he was to undergo, by
\nsubmitting to the will of the Father by going to the cross ({{Luke 12:50}}). This
\nmay be harder to establish when not stated outright so you can slap that one
\nunder another heresy if you so wish, although I’m sure a full personal study
\nmay reveal the correlation between baptism and His death.<\/p>\n

The Baptism for the Dead<\/strong>
\nA much debated text mentioned only in {{1 Cor 15:29}}. Some
\nhave said that it refers to a (wrong) practice that was being practiced in Corinth and would be even
\nmore stupid if there were no resurrection of the dead. Some say that it means
\nthat people, dead in trespasses and sin (now regenerate), when being baptized
\nare showing forth the image of death, burial and resurrection ({{Romans 6}})…but
\nwithout Christ’s resurrection the picture of baptism is useless. Other’s say
\nthat the punctuation is “off” in the verse. Others say that the illustration is
\nof an army and the replenishing of the ranks. The Mormons have said that this
\nis an actual baptism of the dead which can be done by proxy and have
\nsubsequently built a doctrine around this verse. That’s another error which
\nwill work its way out after studying the general teaching of Scripture.<\/p>\n

The Baptism of Believers<\/strong>
\nAlthough we see some form of baptism done during Jesus’
\nlifetime performed by His disciples ({{John 3:22; 4:1,2}}), I’m not going to
\noutright say that this is the baptism he commanded in {{Matthew 28:19}}
\nalthough  I guess you can argue the
\npoint. Obviously it deals with water as seen by those disciples performing it
\nduring Jesus’ day, but also seeing the action performed throughout the book of
\nActs. <\/p>\n

As in our last post sometimes we would see the Holy Spirit
\npoured out on folk that were already baptized with water ({{Acts 2, 19}})
\nsometimes we would see the Holy Spirit poured out on folk before they were
\nbaptized with water ({{Acts 10}}) and sometimes we would see the Holy Spirit
\nignoring the baptism by water and waiting until a couple of Jews showed up on
\nthe scene ({{Acts 8}}). Obviously we start having a problem with how the
\nbaptism of Christ with the Holy Spirit which seems to tie in with what is being
\nsaid in {{Ephesians 4}} has to do with water if it doesn’t seem to happen
\nexclusively with water.<\/p>\n

Stepping back a bit, the resurrected Jesus Christ told His
\ndisciples that they were to go, make disciples of all the nations, and baptize
\nthem in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit ({{Matt 28:19}}).
\nHe tells them that those people who have believed and been baptized shall be
\nsaved…but those who haven’t believed will be condemned ({{Mark 16:15, 16}}).<\/p>\n

What can we learn from these verses by themselves?<\/p>\n

Firstly it was the responsibility of the disciples to go,
\nmake disciples and baptize those disciples. Later we’ll see some other text of it
\nbeing the responsibility of the new believer as well…but first a word of
\nencouragement. It is your responsibility preachers, teachers; disciples to make
\nsure those new believers get baptized. <\/p>\n

Secondly the verse {{Matt 28:19}} isn’t saying “make
\ndisciples by<\/em> baptizing them”. If water baptism was to result in salvation the
\nverse should at least state the method of making sure these folk were disciples
\nwas to baptize them. <\/p>\n

Thirdly, baptism is done under the name of the triune God.
\nIt does not say “names” as in different persons nor does it say “the
\nname of
\nGod” or any singular person in the Godhead—it says name and may I
\nsuggest that
\nits meaning may deal with authority as in {{John 16}}. This would
\nprove
\nimportant if someone were to think “because X person baptized me, I am
\ndefinitely saved”. Salvation is not based on the work of man—be it your
\nown
\nwork or the work of the baptizer but of the only One who has done the
\nwork who
\nbaptizes with the Spirit and with Fire, the One who Sent Him and the
\nOne who currently convicts the world of sin. Salvation by that One’s
\nauthority.\n<\/p>\n

Lastly we see that Mark seems to make baptism a condition
\nfor salvation. Believe plus baptized equals saved. Unfortunately the context
\ndoesn’t seem to support that since the second half of the verse tells us that
\nunbelief results in condemnation…not belief sans water or unbelief plus
\nwater…just unbelief. If water had an effective role in salvation this would
\nhave been a good point to state the cause of condemnation<\/p>\n

Now someone may offer up {{Acts 2:38}} as support that belief
\nplus baptism is what is actually meant in the Mark passage. Peter, after all,
\ntold those Jews that they were to 1) Repent, 2) be baptized in the name of
\nJesus Christ for the 3) forgiveness of sins and then they would 4) receive the
\ngift of the Holy Spirit.<\/p>\n

We encounter a wall then and as promised<\/a> our questions have
\ngotten bigger…Rory’s arguement <\/a>is proving strong for Peter seems to be demanding baptism for salvation but our study
\nthus far doesn’t seem to demand it. What then? “Anathema, Peter, you preach another
\ngospel”? or Is baptism really necessary for salvation? Is the baptism spoken of
\nin {{Ephesians 4}} the baptism mentioned here which results in the gift of the Holy
\nSpirit? And in all this, what about infant baptism—why wasn’t it mentioned?<\/p>\n

-r-
\nA brief note of apology for my method in this study. I normally spend
\nmore time looking at the context of the passage to support a proper
\ndefense but this subject is so immense that it warrants a
\nbook…thankfully several hundred good ones have been written. I’ve
\nenjoyed "Christian Baptism" by AP Gibbs although sometimes he makes
\nconclusions that should’ve been further explained. Indeed, most of
\nthese arguments could be refuted simply by looking at the context of
\neach passage but I wanted to get the breadth of the topic (with the
\ncontext) and then look at possible solutions.
\n<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
The Full Series<\/span>\n <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1. Baptism Necessary for Salvation?<\/a>
\n2. One Baptism Versus the Many?<\/a>
\n3. Baptism and Big Problems<\/a>
\n4. Baptismal Regeneration (Acts 2:28)<\/a>
\n5. Deluge of Baptism Questions (Acts 1-22)<\/a>
\n6. Baptism and Romans (Rom 6:1-11)<\/a>
\n7. Noah and Baptism (2 Peter 3:20,21)<\/a>
\n8. Paul On Baptism (1 Cor 1:14-18)<\/a>
\n
\n9. The Error of Infant Baptism<\/a>
\n
\n10. Remember Your Baptism (Rom 6:1-11)<\/a>
\nRelated
\n
\nRuss On Baptism<\/a>
\nBaptism of Linkage<\/a><\/span>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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