{"id":224,"date":"2005-06-08T07:30:00","date_gmt":"2005-06-08T11:30:00","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2005-07-20T15:17:30","modified_gmt":"2005-07-20T20:17:30","slug":"baptism-and-romans-tmprom-61-11","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/biblearchive.com\/blog\/baptism-and-romans-tmprom-61-11\/","title":{"rendered":"Baptism and Romans -tmp(Rom 6:1-11)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Anyone who has been <a target=\"_self\" href=\"content\/view\/403\/65\/\">following the study<\/a> should notice a few<br \/>\nthings. Firstly, the method is a variation of my (now) usual method of<br \/>\nstudying. I&rsquo;m ignoring the role of the specific baptismal narratives within the<br \/>\ncontext of the letter. For instance, that huge list of questions for each<br \/>\nspecific baptismal event in the book of Acts largely ignored the greater<br \/>\nquestion of the reason those stories were even put into Luke&rsquo;s letter anyway.<br \/>\nMy approach here has been closer to systematic theology in that I have gathered<br \/>\nthe baptismal stories and usage and then have put them next to each other to<br \/>\nstudy them.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Secondly, although much was gathered some things were<br \/>\nglaringly obvious&mdash;even with all our questions.&nbsp;<br \/>\nThe general texture of the narratives did not support the idea of<br \/>\nbaptism resulting in regeneration. The general texture of the narratives seemed<br \/>\nto tie baptism to repentance and to belief. Although all the narratives<br \/>\nnecessitated the performance of baptism by the believer none of the narratives (in<br \/>\ncontext) ever stated the idea of baptism as necessary for salvation. <\/p>\n<p>Thirdly, the baptismal events alone would force some things<br \/>\ninto ambiguity: such as making a differentiation between repentance and belief<br \/>\nand between the baptism of Jews and the baptism of Gentiles. The baptismal<br \/>\nstories never support infant baptism (nor do they outright deny it), they never<br \/>\nsupport the baptism of unbelievers (nor do they outright deny it), they never<br \/>\nindicate joining a covenant community (nor do they outright deny it). <\/p>\n<p>Therein lays the general fault of an unaltered systematic methodology&hellip;we<br \/>\ncould easily start forcing theological ideologies into the text.. So if we<br \/>\nspent our time looking at only {{Acts 2:38}} we would have been in quite a<br \/>\nhole&mdash;but thankfully we <a target=\"_self\" href=\"content\/view\/395\/\">stretched out of the confines<\/a> of the single verse and<br \/>\ntapped the context about it. <\/p>\n<p>With this passage (and the rest of the epistolary passages<br \/>\ngoing forward) I will try to focus on the context and then the verses in<br \/>\nquestion. If you wish, call it a personal fault arising from my heretical nature.<br \/>\nSome folk may want to take all the juice out of the single verse and then<br \/>\nbranch out to see what the rest of the tree tastes like&hellip;I would much rather<br \/>\nlike to see what kind of tree it is and what the fruit are within it, then<br \/>\ntaste it with proper understanding. <\/p>\n<p><strong>Romans and Baptism.<\/strong><br \/>\nPaul has thus far established the argument of the righteous<br \/>\nliving by faith. The statement has the dual purpose of showing God&rsquo;s action in<br \/>\nassuring salvation (not only peace with God, but the renewing of the mind,<br \/>\nrenewing of the body, and evidenced in action through faith and by faith) and<br \/>\nMan&rsquo;s great benefit in this given righteousness (no wrath from God, no death, no<br \/>\nrule by sin and evidenced as love). The dual point is carried throughout the<br \/>\nletter to the Romans (readily admitted although my personal series focuses on God&rsquo;s<br \/>\nrighteousness defended).<\/p>\n<p>{{Romans 1}} reveals God&rsquo;s wrath on unrighteous Men. {{Romans<br \/>\n2}} reveals God&rsquo;s wrath on those who align themselves morally with God and yet<br \/>\ndo the same as the heathen. Likewise, {{Romans 2}} also addresses the Jew as<br \/>\nbenefiting from the Law yet still culpable for his action. {{Romans 3}} explains<br \/>\nhow all men are personally guilty sinners before God. The entire man is<br \/>\nportrayed as a desperately sick, morally wounded, actively wicked and passively<br \/>\naggressive. {{Romans 3}} also gives us the idea that beneath God&rsquo;s righteous<br \/>\nLaw all men receive the death penalty but God has come up with a way for the<br \/>\nunrighteous to be saved&hellip;through faith by the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. {{Romans<br \/>\n4}} supplies the argument that credited righteousness by faith is no new thing<br \/>\nand has been evidenced in the life of Abraham (and David). {{Romans 5}} starts<br \/>\nto show how upon faith man has been justified, has peace with God, can exult in<br \/>\ntribulations knowing the end result.<\/p>\n<p>{{Romans 5}} also shows us the problem that men still die<br \/>\nand the whole race has been plummeted into this very sad situation but God&rsquo;s<br \/>\ngrace through the free gift of Christ on the cross super-abounds over the curse<br \/>\nof Adam. The curse resulted in super-grace so what does that mean to the<br \/>\nindividual?<\/p>\n<p>In {{Romans 6:1-11}} Paul has to start defining what it<br \/>\ndoesn&rsquo;t mean. It doesn&rsquo;t mean, does it, that we&rsquo;re now to continue in sin so<br \/>\nthat there&rsquo;s even more grace? Vehemently no&mdash;we died to sin&hellip;how can we continue<br \/>\nto live in it? How did we die to sin? Believers are after all capable of<br \/>\nsinning (and I remember some of those folk in Corinth, blessed saints, falling into all types<br \/>\nof gross immorality) so what does Paul mean that we have died?<\/p>\n<p>Paul states those who have been baptized into Christ Jesus<br \/>\nhave been baptized into his death. Is the text is speaking of an actual<br \/>\nmystical union where the believer is somehow slain on the cross with Christ and<br \/>\ntherefore dies? Is the text speaking of a legal positioning of the believer?<\/p>\n<p>Paul states that we have been buried with Christ through<br \/>\nbaptism then starts using terms which are largely analogical: &lsquo;So that as<br \/>\nChrist was raised&rsquo; or &lsquo;likeness of his resurrection&rsquo; and then later &lsquo;knowing<br \/>\nthis&rsquo; and &lsquo;knowing that&rsquo;. &nbsp;This is the<br \/>\nstandard structure of an analogy. For example: &ldquo;Just as Moses raised the<br \/>\nserpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up and so&hellip;&rdquo; It is<br \/>\nstriking that Romans 6 is speaking of a spiritual truth but the spiritual truth<br \/>\nis not performed by baptism&hellip;but rather pictured with baptism.<\/p>\n<p>The believer is baptized into Christ Jesus. This is nothing new;<br \/>\nwe&rsquo;ve seen it repeated oft-times in the book of Acts. (The form of the baptism<br \/>\ncould have been &ldquo;I baptize you by the authority of Christ Jesus in the name of<br \/>\nthe Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost&rdquo; so the statement doesn&rsquo;t deny<br \/>\nanything.) In this action he is pictured as dying in Christ, buried with Him<br \/>\nand raised up again to walk in newness of life. Our entire person was<br \/>\nkilled&hellip;not so much literally on the cross, but positionally by what Christ has<br \/>\ndone. We can see the legal language evidenced by {{Romans 3}} and {{Romans 5}}.<br \/>\nThe believer has legally died to sin. The account has been satisfied by Christ<br \/>\nwho has died.<\/p>\n<p>So Romans 6 is not dealing with water baptism resulting in<br \/>\nbeing placed in Christ (if that were the case it would deny all these texts: {{Romans<br \/>\n1:17}}; {{Romans 3:28, 30}}; {{Rom 4:16}}; {{Rom 5:1, 2}}; {{Rom 9:30}}; {{Rom 10:9}}<\/p>\n<p><em>&nbsp;-r-<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<table border=\"0\" class=\"moduletable\">\n<tr>\n<td><span class=\"sectiontableheader\">The Full Series<\/span>\n <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><span class=\"smalldark\"><a target=\"_self\" href=\"content\/view\/382\/51\/\">1. Baptism Necessary for Salvation?<\/a><br \/>\n<a target=\"_self\" href=\"content\/view\/388\/51\/\">2. One Baptism Versus the Many?<\/a><br \/>\n<a target=\"_self\" href=\"content\/view\/394\/51\/\">3. Baptism and Big Problems<\/a><br \/>\n<a target=\"_self\" href=\"content\/view\/395\/51\/\">4. Baptismal Regeneration (Acts 2:28)<\/a><br \/>\n<a target=\"_self\" href=\"content\/view\/403\/51\/\">5. Deluge of Baptism Questions (Acts 1-22)<\/a><br \/>\n<a target=\"_self\" href=\"content\/view\/408\/51\/\">6. Baptism and Romans (Rom 6:1-11)<\/a><br \/>\n<a target=\"_self\" href=\"content\/view\/422\/51\/\">7. Noah and Baptism (2 Peter 3:20,21)<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"content\/view\/425\/51\/\" target=\"_self\">8. Paul On Baptism (1 Cor 1:14-18)<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"content\/view\/434\/65\/\" target=\"_self\"><br \/>\n9. The Error of Infant Baptism<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"content\/view\/436\/65\/\" target=\"_self\"><br \/>\n10. Remember Your Baptism (Rom 6:1-11)<\/a><br \/>\nRelated<br \/>\n<a target=\"_self\" href=\"content\/view\/418\/51\/\"><br \/>\nRuss On Baptism<\/a><br \/>\n<a target=\"_self\" href=\"content\/view\/390\/58\/\">Baptism of Linkage<\/a><\/span>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Anyone who has been following the study should notice a few things. Firstly, the method is a variation of my (now) usual method of studying. I&rsquo;m ignoring the role of the specific baptismal narratives within the context of the letter. 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