{"id":232,"date":"2005-07-11T07:30:00","date_gmt":"2005-07-11T11:30:00","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2005-07-12T11:23:27","modified_gmt":"2005-07-12T15:23:27","slug":"gods-plan-b","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/biblearchive.com\/blog\/gods-plan-b\/","title":{"rendered":"God’s Plan B?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Somebody pointedly asked me “Can God have a plan B?” as his coup de
\ngrace ending the discussion that everything happens because God
\npurposefully makes it happen. His main thrust was that the Fall of Man
\nwas a good thing because aspects of God would never have been seen if
\nit weren’t for the fall and thus God wouldn’t have been receiving that
\ndue glory. Now that got me thinking.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

Mind you, I ended the discussion with a smile and a shrug knowing
\nthat this argument was going to go nowhere and the man is older and
\nwiser than me, so I had better rethink things once more.\n<\/p>\n

\nSo here I am thinking aloud.\n<\/p>\n

I think we can agree that God is perfect and perfectly
\nself-sustaining. There is nothing in his character that is flawed or in
\nvariance with perfection. In fact, I think we can agree that God is
\nindependent in His (I refer to the tri-unity here) existence. If he is
\nperfect I think we can say that his independence is perfect as well.\n<\/p>\n

So if God is perfectly independent why would He need man to
\nbring Him glory? I mean, sure the mountains sing to his glory and the
\nrivers clap their hands but it is the only just response by a creation
\nthat acknowledges its master. It would stand to reason that God had
\nperfect glory before the creation of the Universe and He will have
\nperfect glory after the Universe is rolled away. He may not be
\nreceiving perfect glory from His creation now, but it doesn’t mean that
\nHe doesn’t have it. For instance, Jesus has perfect authority but he
\nhasn’t removed the Prince of the Power of the air from his position
\njust yet.\n<\/p>\n

So if God had perfect glory in His independence would he need
\nanything to bring about more glory? Why would He need to depend on
\ncreation to give Him due glory at all? Would His glory be tarnished if
\nit weren’t for creation? And if creation was adding to His glory, was
\nGod then really perfect? If everything is a Plan A before the annals of
\ntime to bring about maximum glory to a member of the trinity does that
\nmean that that member of the trinity did not have maximum glory before
\ncreation?\n<\/p>\n

So now that leaves me in a bit of a stump. Maybe there’s
\nsomething missing in the argument like “Since God is perfectly loving
\nHe must create creatures which can appreciate His glory” but then it
\nwinds up not being about only for the glory of God but also for the
\nenjoyment or appreciation of that glory.\n<\/p>\n

Now, how can we say that God doesn’t have a plan B? Is it
\npossible that God could’ve completely wiped out mankind showing his
\nrighteous indignation and therefore the angels would experience His
\nlove that He didn’t do likewise to them? And beyond that, is it
\npossible that the Godhead would have experientially known perfect Love
\nand glory within the tri-unity without the need of a Creation?\n<\/p>\n

It all seems to me as putting God in as much as a box as the
\nOpen Theists who say “God can’t know” but then again, I probably took a
\nwrong turn at Albuquerque.<\/p>\n

[Update:<\/strong> Pastor Russ mentions this guy Peter Lynds<\/a> and this blogger<\/a>
\nlinked to the archive with a pretty interesting look at Peter Lynds
\nwork to look at what God determines. Keep up the good bloggin’
\nPhilThreTen!]\n <\/p>\n

-r-<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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