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“Mary and Joseph were strong and didn’t have to give in to
\ntheir human urges.” said my friend some time ago when we were talking about
\nMary’s supposed perpetual virginity. What struck me about this thought was that
\nit drew an ethical line without meaning to. Is it right, though?<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

Take three couples: one of them is married with an active
\nsex-life, one of them is not and just as active and one of them are Mary and
\nJoseph. My friend’s idea would likely place the middle couple as “Sinners”
\nbecause they are unmarried and they shouldn’t be having sex anyway.
\nJustification for this bit is found all over Scripture but you can use {{Gal
\n5:19}} as summative<\/a> support.  <\/p>\n

My friend would look at the last couple as holy because
\nthey’re Mary and Joseph, but if we simplify, it would be because they’re in a
\nmonogamous married relationship where they can have sex but are stoically
\nputting up and not giving in to their sexual urges. There’s really no support
\nfor this scripturally unless you take {{1 Cor 7:38}} and interpret virgin as
\n[virgin wife] instead of [virgin daughter].<\/p>\n

That would put the first couple as not being as holy as the
\nlast couple because they got married and gave into their sexual desires. <\/p>\n

My friend could likely find some support in 1 {{Cor 7:1-2}}
\nwhere it states that it’s better for a man not to touch a woman but in the
\nchance of being immoral, it’s better to get married ({{1 Cor 7:8}}). So marriage
\nused here to stave off immorality (as in the second couple who would be
\nconsidered better off if they were married). So from this position it would
\nmake the sexual desire an immoral thing that must be nipped in the bud or given
\na justified breeding ground. Not that I’m supporting that idea, I’m just
\nstating where someone could argue a point.<\/p>\n

Opposed to this position I would say that Paul immediately
\ndeals with the actual marriage relationship in {{1 Cor 7:2-6}}. Point one (v1)
\nis that it’s good for a man not to touch a woman—not that it’s sinful but
\nbecause of immoralities (especially in that day and age where a visit to the
\nlocal temple whore was a matter of rote). No casual touching—this is serious
\nbusiness: (point 2) each man is to have his own wife and each woman is to have
\nher own husband. And then, within that relationship (point 3) the husband must
\nfulfill his duty to his wife (not limited to but definitely includes the
\nsexual) and each wife must do likewise to her husband (again, not limited)<\/p>\n

The authority over the wife’s body is not some stranger or
\nher father…but her husband. And the authority over the husband’s body is not
\nhis own sexual urges or some stranger…but his wife. That would make the
\nmarriage relationship in the sexual department aimed at the spouse’s
\ngratification instead of personal satisfaction or reciprocation. (Incidentally,
\nthat really raises some questions about autoeroticism <\/a>within
\nthe marriage relationship.)<\/p>\n

Paul underscores this point by stating that the husband and
\nwife is to stop depriving each other unless it’s by agreement. Here my friend
\nmight shout out with an “aha!” But I would have him pause and look at what Paul
\nsays after that: this deprivation is for a time of devotion to prayer and then
\nafterwards they are to come together again. It’s not a lifetime of separation,
\nbut seasonal with the very practical understanding that one can be tempted during
\nthis time of abstinence.<\/p>\n

Now, if Mary and Joseph did remain separated in marriage
\nPaul would be telling them to stop depriving one another…unless they are
\nspecifically doing this for a season with the full intent of coming together afterwards.
\nScripturally this is exactly the case ({{Matt 1:24-25}}) that (a) Joseph took
\nMary as his wife, (b) kept her a virgin (c) until she gave birth to a Son. That
\nsort of time bracketing tells me that Joseph and Mary agreed to it especially
\nin light of the important messages both of them personally received (Joseph
\ncontextually {{Matt 1:22-24}}).<\/p>\n

What should be explored is if there is anything specifically
\nwrong with those sexual desires within the marriage relationship. Jesus makes
\nit clear that it’s wrong to go off lusting after other women ({{Matt 5:28}})
\nand Paul makes it clear that a married man doesn’t even have a right over his
\nown body to go off and use it for anything but his wife. But when looking at
\nScripture, how does God view the marriage relationship and sex within it?<\/p>\n

A general survey (it’s way too long a study for one post) would
\nhave God commanding sex between husband in wife in that they are to be fruitful
\nand multiply ({{Gen 1:28}}). Abraham and Sarah were told they were going to have
\na son but Sarah couldn’t have kids ({{Gen 16}}). That didn’t stop them from
\ntrying, her past her bearing years and his body as good as dead ({{Heb
\n11:7,8}}). Rachel and Jacob seem to be spending quite some time together, her
\nnot being able to bear kids and all—so much so that Leah has to purchase
\nJacob’s “services” ({{Gen 30:15-16}}). A reading of the book of Song of Solomon
\nwould reveal things between a Bride and a Beloved that would make you blush
\n(Song 1:2, 4; 2:6; 4:9 the whole book really).<\/p>\n

So in the end, regardless of who Mary was—Joseph was her
\nhusband and as such he had say over her body and she had say over his. The two
\nwere also under God’s command to humans to fruitfully multiply and I would take
\nthat to mean trying for more than one. Lastly Scripture doesn’t speak of sex
\nwithin marriage as something bad or sinful but constantly looks at it in it’s
\nideal—and conversely looks at what happens when someone messes with the ideal.<\/p>\n

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