{"id":328,"date":"2007-02-13T20:44:27","date_gmt":"2007-02-14T01:44:27","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2007-04-04T18:18:20","modified_gmt":"2007-04-04T23:18:20","slug":"potter-works-the-clay-part-2-romans-9","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/biblearchive.com\/blog\/potter-works-the-clay-part-2-romans-9\/","title":{"rendered":"Potter Works The Clay (part 2) Romans 9"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It would not be inconceivable to think that Paul is using  the illustration of the potter and clay in a completely new way, or at the very  least, a way unimagined by the readers of the Prophets. After all, many have  argued that that is exactly what Matthew did (cf. {{Isa 7:14}}; {{Matt 1:23}}\u00e2\u20ac\u201dyoung  maiden vs. virgin). But I don&#8217;t think that fits in with what Paul is doing.<\/p>\n<p>While establishing the righteousness of God in the Gospel he  makes a repeated effort in showing how the revelation of this righteousness is  completely consistent with God&#8217;s previous revelation of righteousness.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>For instance, justification by faith coincides with God  justifying Abraham by faith. Sins being blotted out by God for those who rely  on Him to save coincides with David&#8217;s situation and ultimate survival. God&#8217;s  reveal wrath applies to all men, even if Jews have an advantage by having the  Law, they are still condemned as summed up throughout the Psalms ({{Rom 3}})<\/p>\n<p>Now God&#8217;s righteousness is being put to the question in his  dealing with his people so Paul must establish continuity from the previous  revelation. It would therefore be odd for Paul to be arguing that the Elect  People of God (Israel)  do not believe because God can do whatever he wants and they have been elected  to be unbelievers.<\/p>\n<p>Rather Paul is making a direct allusion to those previous  potter passages to show that God is working to bring about a desired end. The  clay, in many of those Prophetic passages, does not have an understanding of  the full project\u00e2\u20ac\u201dhow can it? The potter works on the clay for a desired  (ultimately good) end and the clay is in no position to question how the potter  can bring about that desired end must rely on the Potter.<\/p>\n<p>Some might insert an argument here of a hidden will of  God\u00e2\u20ac\u201dthat God has decided to show mercy to X individuals over Y individuals but  I think that&#8217;s being presumptuous. Paul, in starting the argument with assigned  roles is continuing to speak about assigned roles. For Paul speaks of four  vessels here: those for special use (honor), those for ordinary use (dishonor),  those for wrath prepared for destruction and those for mercy prepared  beforehand for glory.<\/p>\n<p>Now the common utensils versus those for special use can be  an allusion to temple utensils which were set apart for that service. If Paul  is making a direct one to one connection between utensils of mercy and utensils  of wrath it would imply that it is special to be shown ultimate mercy and it is  the common everyday for God to show ultimate wrath.<\/p>\n<p>Paul would point out that God hasn&#8217;t revealed ultimate wrath  yet and those who continue to stand in their self-righteousness without  submitting to God are storing up wrath for a future wrath ({{Rom 2}}). Paul  would also point out that God is currently in the process of pouring wrath but also  argues that it is possible for one under wrath to be one under grace (according  to {{Romans 3-5}}). So if God was indeed showing mercy only to the  predetermined few and everyone else was commonly meant for an end goal of  destruction it is impossible to say that they were not prepared beforehand for  that end. That conclusion is inconsistent with Paul&#8217;s argument.<\/p>\n<p>Rather, the vessels preparing wrath for themselves are  current vessels of wrath but there is no implication that all of those utensils  have an ultimate end in ultimate damnation. Paul might rather be saying that  God is completely free to show mercy\u00e2\u20ac\u201deven on vessels of current wrath.<\/p>\n<p>Case in point: Paul was a blasphemer, a violent persecutor  of Christ&#8217;s body and later called himself the worst of sinners; yet He wasn&#8217;t  stamped out. God showed mercy and Christ revealed Himself to Paul. Why? Because  he acted in unbelief (who doesn&#8217;t) and because God wanted to illustrate if Paul  could be shown mercy then anyone could be shown mercy ({{1 Tim 1:12-17}}). The  fact that Paul turned and relied on the Lord in no way negated the fact that he  was a vessel of wrath and the fact that Paul was now a believer in no way  demanded that the Lord use him to speak to the gentiles\u00e2\u20ac\u201dbut He did anyway.<\/p>\n<p>So God&#8217;s mercy is completely free even to say those stupid,  blind and pagan Gentiles vessels of wrath that weren&#8217;t even looking for  mercy\u00e2\u20ac\u201dbut what about Israel,  these vessels of special use that were prepared beforehand for glory?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It would not be inconceivable to think that Paul is using the illustration of the potter and clay in a completely new way, or at the very least, a way unimagined by the readers of the Prophets. 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